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Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 2:15 am

In August, the amount of heat under the equatorial Pacific decreased compared to July.
http://www.bom.gov.au/archive/oceanography/ocean_anals/IDYOC007/IDYOC007.202308.gif

Dandersan
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 2:41 am

The heat in the ocean is hard to follow.
But in smaller inland water like the Baltic we have good measurements from temperature meters.
And these are not showing anything like the satellite readings.
Compare: https://www.marinefinland.fi/en-US/The_Baltic_Sea_now/Water_quality/Water_temperature

No extremes this Year!

RickWill
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 2:42 am

The Nino34 region temperature is inching back up. The warm pool west of Mexico that spawned four tropical depressions cooled after Hilary but is recovering again now. It was actually drawing heat from the tropical Pacific thereby reducing the surface temperature in the Nino34 region in early August to around 27.4 but it is now back up to 27.9 after Hilary petered out,

It is too early to call the 2023 El Nino a fizzer.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  RickWill
August 27, 2023 3:55 am

The temperature in the Niño 1.2 area is slowly dropping.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 4:01 am
Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 4:08 am
ToldYouSo
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 8:07 am

Upper right corner of your top graph:
“Latest value: +2.504” (deg-C)
And the plotted data points on that graph indicate SST temperature anomaly resolution to 0.1 C or better.
Yeah, right.

Referring to your bottom graph with color scaling to 1 C resolution, it is—as Pat Frank has stated—convincing nonsense.

One obvious problem: the area of supposedly warm water in the western Pacific, comparable to the water temperatures along the coasts of Mexico and Central America (during an El Nino?).

But considering a likely total uncertainty of ± 2 C in NOAA’s “sea surface” temperatures, the bottom graph is useful to show Earth is cooler at the poles than it is at the equator. Good to know.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 27, 2023 10:26 am

Do you really want to compare the temperature in the tropics and the poles? Go ahead.
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ToldYouSo
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 10:38 am

It is YOU, not me, who is posting the beautifully color-coded, convincing nonsense charts that indicate global variations in sea surface temperature to an asserted resolution of 1 C.

But don’t let that fact stop you.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  RickWill
August 27, 2023 10:44 am

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ToldYouSo
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 11:50 am

Ahhh . . . even better. We are now presented with convincing nonsense to a purported resolution of 0.5 C . . . and that’s across the globe!

“. . . the bias between the remotely sensed and in-situ SST varies between and (sic) −2.6–1.45 °C.”
—Ref: Section 3.3. Parameters influencing the satellite SST bias of Uncertainty in satellite sea surface temperature with respect to air temperature, dust level, wind speed and solar position, Maryam R. Al-Shehhi, June 2022, free download available at https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235248552200115

Walter R. Hogle
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 7:13 am

Are you also excited for UAH August update? Also Joe Bastardi said in his Saturday summary that the spike is decades worth of heat being released into the atmosphere. What are your thoughts on that? Climate science is fun to study when it’s actually legitimate.

Thomas
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
August 27, 2023 9:20 am

The global average temperature will be high in August because the planet is going through one of its quasi-periodic cooling cycles (aka El Niño).

Warm water that was stored in the deep west Pacific warm pool has sloshed east so it is exposed to the atmosphere. The hot water releases heat to the atmosphere, where it is now able to radiate to deep space, thus cooling the ocean/atmosphere system. The atmosphere warmed because the ocean cooled. The heat release from the ocean is passing through the atmosphere on its way to space.

Average global atmospheric temperature is not a measure of the heat content of the system. It’s a metric that is directly sensed by no living organism. Temperature isn’t even a measure of the heat content of air because it doesn’t account for the latent heat due to water vapor.

BurlHenry
Reply to  Thomas
August 27, 2023 12:05 pm

Thomas:

You have it backwards. La Ninas are cooling cycles, not El Ninos.

El Ninos form because atmospheric temperatures have already risen, they do NOT cause temperatures to rise.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
August 27, 2023 10:34 am

It will not be a big jump in global troposphere temperature. Locally, the jump will be large in the tropics and in the western Pacific and Atlantic.

BurlHenry
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
August 27, 2023 11:57 am

walter:

No, the spike is NOT decades of heat being released into the atmosphere. It is simply a strong El Nino, caused by decreased SO2 aerosol in the atmosphere (as has been the cause of all 35 of the El Ninos in the past 123 years) :

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 11:07 am

Why are the less-dense warm waters found at depths of 100-150m in the western Pacific in May and June?

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 27, 2023 11:32 pm

Due to the eastward circulation on the equator that lasts during these months. Warm surface waters were constantly pushed westward and raised the temperature below.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 28, 2023 10:39 am

OK. Let me see if I understand your explanation. Water from a region of the Earth that oscillates between cold upwelling and warm warm surface waters, migrates westward during the warm phase into a region known for its warm, humid environment, and gives up its heat to the air, while simultaneously warming the deep subsurface to about the same temperature as the surface water previously had. Yet, there is no overturning with the warm subsurface water displacing the cooled surface water, and little evidence of the warm surface water. The core of the warm sub-surface water gets deeper the farther west one samples.

Is that about right?

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 29, 2023 12:14 am

When you have cold water in the bathtub and add warm water, after a while all the water will be warmer. The longer you add warm water, the warmer the temperature of the water in the tub will be. In the ocean, mixing occurs to a certain depth because warm water is more saline.

strativarius
August 27, 2023 2:27 am

“Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.” —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

JUST Stop Oil protesters are trying to stir kids as young as 11 into action.

A Sun on Sunday probe found a student-led faction is planning stunts at school assemblies and other large gatherings of youngsters.

One encrypted message on a Just Stop Oil group said: “Are you or do you know any secondary school students who are serious about climate action and want to help organise a long-term school strike?”

The message goes on: “We are also looking for supportive parents, teachers and scientists.”

One group member told us: “Schools is next-level stuff. That would be incredible. It’s very, very exciting.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23668092/just-stop-oil-recruit-kids-as-young-11/

Schools, I’m sure will only be too happy to help

Krishna Gans
Reply to  strativarius
August 27, 2023 2:35 am

All these people plus a lot of others are biological curiousities as they have a second intestine instead of a brain in their cranium.

Energywise
Reply to  strativarius
August 27, 2023 4:42 am

The Marxists are already marching through education with gender nonsense, I’m sure they can tag climate on for full and complete indoctrination

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  strativarius
August 27, 2023 6:02 am

The message goes on: “We are also looking for supportive parents, teachers and scientists.”

One of the things that cults do of course is recruit new members. They also tend not to tolerate any criticism or opposition to the cult’s doctrine or party line. So, arguing the disconfirming science with them about the climate alarmist narrative is probably a waste of time. It is my understanding that JSO are planning another series of disruptive events late in October. How much of this are you Londoners willing to take?

JSO and XR are really doomsday cults inasmuch as getting rid of fossil fuels without a commercially viable alternative (other than nuclear power) will probably collapse a western economy like the U.S. or the U.K. So, it becomes a matter of whether JSO and XR members want to starve to death from a collapsed economy or from the coming climate catastrophe that they believe in. Wind and solar don’t cut it.

As a like to say, one of the worst things about being in a cult is not knowing you are actually in one.

strativarius
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 27, 2023 6:59 am

It’s a [mediaeval type] religion with everything included from holy gospels, to indulgences, to heresy and (where possible) a public burning at the stake on social media.

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  strativarius
August 27, 2023 7:54 am

It’s just another manifestation of encouraging mental illness, applauding it.

No different than affirming gender, or obesity.
North of 85% of Americans who supposedly died of Covid were obese, but it’s still not ok to say obesity is bad, they died because they didn’t get the shots.

Society is so sick.
I make sure to reprogram my girls every week, 13 and 16 years old.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  strativarius
August 27, 2023 1:34 pm

I’m still ticked that Dilbert got canceled, literally!

quelgeek
Reply to  strativarius
August 27, 2023 11:27 am

We are also looking for supportive parents, teachers and scientists.

We’ve picked a problem to have. Now we need to find people to make us look like we are right.

Energywise
August 27, 2023 3:25 am
strativarius
Reply to  Energywise
August 27, 2023 3:45 am

A milkman?

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Energywise
August 27, 2023 8:14 am

Well, if you are using a typical-size home charger for your EV and you have to drive it to work by 7:30 am, you might be able to pump up your battery charge by, oh, 20% if you start at 4 am.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Energywise
August 27, 2023 11:18 am

What are they going to do if their campaign of encouraging early-rising is successful and the demand exceeds the supply? Switch to solar from 4 time zones to the east?

AndyHce
Reply to  Energywise
August 27, 2023 12:05 pm

electronic timers work

Tom Abbott
August 27, 2023 4:02 am

The alarmists and Media keep talking about warm ocean water, but they never say anything about the “cold blob”. I guess that’s understandable if one is an alarmist with an agenda.

Some waters are warming, and some waters are cooling, is the reality.

https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/north-atlantic-oscillation-contributes-cold-blob-atlantic-ocean/

“Sea surface temperatures in the subpolar North Atlantic have decreased by about .7 degrees Fahrenheit over the last century, and a trend toward a more frequent positive phase of the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) may have contributed significantly, the scientists reported in the journal Climate Dynamics

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 27, 2023 4:31 am

That ‘PSU’ link is insane..
It points to a graphic trying to tell us that the Labrador Sea off the SW corner of Greenland, in Jan/Feb/Mar, has heated by 20°C over the period 1990 thro 2010

that is the stuff of pure fantasy – there is no physical way it could do that

Hans Erren
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 27, 2023 6:49 am

No it is not surprising at all. It is essentially where your predominating winds come from: the warm south or the cold north.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Hans Erren
August 27, 2023 8:31 am

No, the reported 20 C warming difference is very surprising, if real.

The heat capacity of air is small compared to that of water.

The waters off the SW corner of Greenland (i.e., the Labrador Sea) would have their surface temperature basically established by the Labrador current, which flows almost directly southward from above the Arctic circle.

Smart Rock
Reply to  Peta of Newark
August 27, 2023 12:40 pm

Not paying attention, Peta. The maps in the psu (Penn State) link appear to be of air temperature. A 20C change in air temperature from ~ -40C to -20C would do that. It says the January to March average is “late winter”. If you hang out at Penn State, you might think that January-March is late winter, but if you’ve ever been to northern Labrador or Baffin Island you might view that assertion as parochial nonsense.

NB Canadian ground weather stations in that general area show distinct warming of Jan-Mar 3-month average in the 1990-2010 period, varying from +6.3C to +11.0C. Their +20C must come from satellite data.

The reason I infer that the maps show air temperature is that they show temperatures all over the continents as well as the oceans. Duh.

The same maps show strong winter warming over all of Canada, which conforms to the experience of those of us who live and work there. It also shows cooling over nearly all the continental US and Europe.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Smart Rock
August 27, 2023 1:41 pm

no doubt Canadians are horrified of warmer winters! /sarc

bnice2000
August 27, 2023 4:23 am

Did you know that the Antarctic sea ice extent has increased more in the last 2 weeks, than for the same 2 week period in each of the last 25 years.

In the last 2 weeks it has increased by 1.149 Wadhams

The next highest is 2006, where the same 2 weeks saw an increase of 0.915 Wadhams

Energywise
Reply to  bnice2000
August 27, 2023 4:39 am

Has BBCs Justin Rowlatt verified that? He may have to fly over on a taxpayer funded private jet to check, the results of which will be tweaked of course to show shrinking – don’t want facts getting in the way of the climate crisis

CO2isLife
August 27, 2023 4:43 am

Someone finally wrote an article validating what I’ve been saying for years. (Link)

Observation in the stratosphere and an Antarctic winter, and recent experiment have shown that CO2 interacts with solar radiation overwhelmingly at 80 Celsius degrees below water’s freezing point, i.e., 193K ( ‑80°C and ‑112°F).”

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Walter R. Hogle
Reply to  CO2isLife
August 27, 2023 7:21 am

When you look at the start and endpoints of that graph, you see we’re basically where we started when the network was first implemented. There is a warming trend but this is only 18 years old. I also don’t think it’s significant. There’s so much inter decadal variability as well. The very cold winter of 2009/2010 attributable to an unusually negative Arctic oscillation and the giant 2015/2016 El Niño that caused anamolous warmth that winter all over the US but was strongest in the North. These likely are affecting the trend. More data in the coming years is required to see the true rate of warming.

bnice2000
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
August 27, 2023 1:01 pm

The calculated warming trend comes from the bulge during the 2015/16 El Nino, and the following 2020 EL Nino spike.

Before that El Nino USCRN had zero trend.,

DMacKenzie
Reply to  CO2isLife
August 27, 2023 7:55 am

Let’s see….Wein’s law… 2898/193 K=15 microns….hmmm the well known CO2 absorption band.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  CO2isLife
August 27, 2023 8:43 am

“. . . have shown that CO2 interacts with solar radiation overwhelmingly at 80 Celsius degrees below water’s freezing point, i.e., 193K ( ‑80°C and ‑112°F).”

That’s not so surprising given that gaseous CO2 freezes (i.e., becomes solid matter) at the slightly higher temperature of 194.7 K (−78.5 °C; −109.2 °F).

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 27, 2023 11:24 am

Would the solitary down-voter please explain your vote?

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 27, 2023 12:34 pm

Clyde, good question but don’t wait for an explanation, as such is almost surely not to be forthcoming.

My take is that the down-vote is from someone that didn’t like a scientific fact for some strange reason. Probably along the lines of Thomas Huxley’s keen observation:
“Science is organized common sense where many a beautiful theory was killed by an ugly fact.”

general custer
August 27, 2023 4:46 am

It’s likely that the proponents of this insanity are also climate change fantasists, being devoted to organizing a return to a Edenic mythical past.

Energywise
August 27, 2023 5:36 am

https://electroverse.info/baby-penguins-are-dying/

When polar bears won’t play ball with the narrative, try the penguins

Steve Case
Reply to  Energywise
August 27, 2023 6:11 am

First chuckle of my day. (-:

Walter R. Hogle
Reply to  Energywise
August 27, 2023 7:23 am

Some polar populations are decreasing, but others are stable or increasing. So you can’t really attribute any sort of change to climate change.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Energywise
August 27, 2023 11:31 am

Penguins reproduce at the very edge of survivability, where no other large creatures have adapted. It should not be surprising that significant reproductive failures occur. They have survived as a species because they don’t put all their eggs on one ice shelf.

Energywise
August 27, 2023 5:39 am

https://substack.com/@davidturver/note/c-39129145

Renewables are making you poorer but a few much richer

Tom Abbott
August 27, 2023 5:40 am

During the Republican presidential debate the other night, the Fox News moderators presented a distorted picture of climate change when they brought up the subject for discussion:

https://rollcall.com/2023/08/24/transcript-gop-presidential-hopefuls-debate-in-milwaukee/

“BAIER: Thank you.

We have a lot of topics to get to and I promise we’re going to get to everyone if we play within the rules.

Okay, next topic. More than a thousand people are still unaccounted for in Maui after the deadliest US wildfire in more than a century. Hawaii’s governor and White House officials said that climate change amplified the cost of human error.

MACCALLUM: And a tropical storm hit California for the first time in 84 years. The ocean hit 101 degrees off the coast of Florida. And in the last month, the heat wave in the Southwest broke records nearly 50 years old.

BAIER: So, Alexander Diaz from Young America’s Foundation has a question for you all.

[begin videotape]

ALEXANDER DIAZ, CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA: Polls consistently show that young people’s number one issue is climate change. How would you as both president of the United States and leader of the Republican Party calm their fears that the Republican Party doesn’t care about climate change?
[end videotape]

MACCALLUM: So, we want to start on this with a show of hands. Do you believe in human behavior is causing climate change? Raise your hand if you do.”

The Fox News moderators suggest climate change is involved in the Maui fire and the tropical storm that hit California.

Then they spread the false claim that the ocean off the coast of Florida hit 101 degrees (already debunked), and then they put a young climate activits on the tv screen telling everyone that a majority of young people are concerned about the climate. Another “97 percent” lie. Given credence by Fox News.

So does Fox News have a climate change agenda, or are they just not very well versed on the subject?

Scissor
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 27, 2023 6:05 am

Climate change made them use traffic barriers to prevent people from escaping. Ditto for holding back water for fire fighting and releasing school children.

AndyHce
Reply to  Scissor
August 27, 2023 12:19 pm

That CC really screws up some people’s brain.

Denis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 27, 2023 7:58 am

There have been six or seven tropical storms to hit southern California in the past 84 years – i.e. since 1939. You can look it up

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Denis
August 28, 2023 2:11 pm

I know that. Someone needs to tell Fox News. They act like the tropical storm was unprecedented. That was my complaint. One of them.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 27, 2023 12:24 pm

The Murdochs aren’t what they used to be.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 28, 2023 2:18 pm

They definitely are not Trump fans.

They are losing a lot of viewers by going along with the leftwing spin on the 2020 election.

Not everyone is against Trump at Fox News. I watch those people.

Then I turn the channel when Neal Cavuto comes on, and also when Gutfeld comes on. Not because Gutfeld is anti-Trump but because he is obnoxious and cringeworthy. They made a mistake putting him in the 9pm (CT) time slot, imo. Now I watch “Forensic Files” during that time period, or Newmax.

Energywise
August 27, 2023 5:43 am

https://substack.com/notes/post/p-136272587

Renewables are making you poorer and colder

Tom Abbott
August 27, 2023 5:51 am

I had a problem with Nikki Haley saying this:

https://rollcall.com/2023/08/24/transcript-gop-presidential-hopefuls-debate-in-milwaukee/

“MACCALLUM: All right. So, you (inaudible) Haley. Why are you better positioned to turn around this economy that we’ve heard all of these voters talking about tonight? Then, Mr. Ramaswamy, who is a successful entrepreneur, nationally right now, he is beating you in the polls.

NIKKI HALEY (R), 2024 PRESDIENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, I don’t care about polls. What I care about the fact is that no one is telling the American people the truth. The truth is that Biden didn’t do this to us. Our Republicans did this to us too. When they passed that $2.2 trillion COVID stimulus bill, they left us with 90 million people on Medicaid, 42 million people on food stamps.

No one has told you how to fix it. I’ll tell you how to fix it. They need to stop the spending. They need to stop the borrowing. They need to eliminate the earmarks that Republicans brought back in, and they need to make sure they understand these are taxpayer dollars. It’s not their dollars.

And while they’re all saying this, you have Ron DeSantis. You’ve got Tim Scott. You’ve got Mike Pence. They all voted to raise the debt. And Donald Trump added $8 trillion to our debt. And our kids are never going to forgive us for this. And so, at the end of the day, you look at the 2024 budget. Republicans asked for $7.4 billion in earmarks. Democrats asked for $2.8 billion. So, you tell me who are the big spenders? I think it’s time for an accountant in the White House.”

Nikki Haley is telling the nation that the Republicans are no more fiscally responsible than the Democrats. This is damaging to the Republican Party, and it is not true that all Republicans are fiscally irresponsible. Some Republicans in the U.S. Senate fit Haley’s bill, but not all Republicans, especially in the House of Representatives, who are not spendthrifts.

Trump had a reason for spending a lot of money. He did add Trillions to the debt, but it was necessary spending to increase the military budget that Obama/Biden had let founder, and to get the U.S. through the pandemic and the economic collapse it caused. Haley didn’t mention the Trillions more that Biden has added to the deficit. Why not, Nikki? You only seem to be smearing Republicans, Nikki.

Nikki wants to pretend she is the only one concerned about the budget. It’s just not true, and equating Republicans with Democrats is harmful, Nikki. Stop doing that. Republicans are much better for the country than Democrats. Stop telling people otherwise.

Energywise
August 27, 2023 5:56 am

If CO2 is so hazardous to planet earth, how come it’s ok to buy carbon credits and keep flying private jets or using gas power generation instead of shutting down all fossil fuel energy sources?! Even the most deceitful alarmists know the simple answer to that

Steve Case
August 27, 2023 6:05 am

Hmmmm here’s WUWT on Nitrous Oxide from ten months ago:

Nitrous Oxide and Climate

Nitrous oxide (N20) has now joined carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane (CH4) in the climate alarm proponents’ pantheon of anthropogenic “demon” gases.

_____________________________________________

Here’s today’s Wikipedia on the Greenhouse Effect

Contributions of different gases
By their percentage…the four major greenhouse gases are:

Water vapor (H2O), 36~72% (~75% including clouds);[23]
Carbon dioxide (CO2), 9~26%;
Methane (CH4), 4~9%;
Tropospheric ozone (O3), 3~7%.
______________________________________________

Here’s a Google Search on Nitrous Oxide

Google
nitrous oxide
Images Videos Shopping Chemical formula Uses Buy Poisoning Laughing gas In cars
______________________________________________

Here’s the Google Search on Methane

Google
methane
Images Videos Gas Uses Sources News Formula Structure Pronunciation
______________________________________________

What’s my stupid point you ask?

It looks like the word is out from the council of the big Kahuna’s that run the Climate Change scam that nitrous oxide is off the table. It’s not that you can’t select [All filters] in the Google and find the [News] button, but it doesn’t appear right off the bat like it used to, and if you do, there aren’t any “Climate Change” stories. Plus Wikipedia’s page on “Greenhouse Effect” doesn’t consider N2O a major greenhouse gas. Maybe it never did, but the N2O fire bell seems to have been silenced.

Scissor
Reply to  Steve Case
August 27, 2023 6:16 am

Whipped cream in a can lives on.

Steve Case
Reply to  Scissor
August 27, 2023 6:49 am
Scissor
Reply to  Steve Case
August 27, 2023 7:55 am

Fun with chemistry.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Steve Case
August 27, 2023 11:41 am
Steve Case
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 27, 2023 11:57 am

Thanks for the link, I assume you saw my comments over there. You can reverse engineer the Global Warming Potential numbers that the IPCC has published over the years. They have varied from about 50 to over 80 times more powerful than CO2 over the so-far six assessment reports. That should be the first clue that those GWP numbers don’t mean much. Anyway working backwards from the IPCC definition and CO2 concentrations at the time, methane is probably good for almost 0.05C° of warming by 2100. If anyone thinks it’s significantly more than that, they should pipe up and provide a link or show their work.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Steve Case
August 27, 2023 7:02 pm

If anyone thinks it’s significantly more than that, they should pipe up and provide a link or show their work.

Yes, probably the most damning comment, by Stokes, was a complaint that I didn’t expend more words on the Global Methane Pledge, which can be looked up on Wikipedia.

Jonny5
August 27, 2023 6:10 am

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/leaves-tropical-forests-photosynthesis-heat-limit

“roughly 1 in every 10,000 leaves experiences temperatures at least once a year”

.01% of tropical leaves are getting too hot to photosynthesise…well at least for one day a year. Definitely time to panic, and get these scientists more funding.

Scissor
August 27, 2023 6:21 am

I have to wait a while for it to warm up to go out for a bike ride (it’s 58F at my house at the moment). This hasn’t happened more than once in August before in the past million years.

Furthermore, irrigation ditches around Boulder are still flowing water from snowmelt. Usually they stop flowing around the end of June or into July.

TheImpaler
August 27, 2023 7:09 am

Okay here’s one for all you sciency guys with way too much time on your hands. How about and ‘attribution study’ conclusively linking the reappearance of Dengue Fever and Malaria in the United States to windmills killing birds and bats? I’m sure we can djinn up something.

Beta Blocker
August 27, 2023 7:17 am

The Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan (SSCECP): a fast track approach for eliminating fossil fuels from America’s economy

August 28th, 2023 

Achieving Net Zero for America’s electric power sector by 2035, and Net Zero for America’s economy as a whole by 2050, cannot be accomplished without imposing strictly-enforced energy conservation measures on the American economy — measures which by necessity must be highly coercive in their impacts and effects. Under this conceptual plan, the United States would be consuming roughly two-thirds as much energy by the year 2030 as we consume today in the year 2023, and possibly only one-third as much energy by the the year 2050.

—————————–

President Biden is under strong pressure from climate activists to declare a national climate emergency in response to the wildfire disaster on the island of Maui in Hawaii.

That Joe Biden, himself a professed climate activist, hasn’t formally declared a climate emergency since he entered the White House in January, 2021, raises an important question.

How far could President Biden go in quickly reducing America’s consumption of fossil fuels using his own authorities as President — authorities already granted to him under current law?

This essay uses the conceptual framework of the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan (SSCECP) as a vehicle for examining this question.

* Joe Biden’s Claim of Climate Change as an Existential Threat to Humanity *

President Biden has said that climate change represents an existential threat to the survival of the human race on planet earth, and is indeed the greatest threat to human survival ever faced by mankind.

His policy concerning energy and climate change is to achieve a 50% reduction in America’s greenhouse gas emissions by 2030. In addition, America’s power generation sector is to achieve net-zero carbon emissions by 2035. America must be fully Net Zero by 2050.

Biden’s stated goal is to quickly replace fossil fuel energy with wind and solar energy backed by grid-scale energy storage and by a greatly expanded power transmission network. An expansion of nuclear power is supported by the Biden administration, but nuclear plays a comparatively minor role in the Net Zero transition.

With reference to climate change, as the President’s argument goes, America’s leadership in quickly reducing our own carbon emissions is essential for convincing other nations, especially China and India, to quickly reduce theirs. As of the summer of 2023, neither China nor India have made any committment to do so. 

With reference to American energy security, Biden claims the only viable pathway to energy independence is to reduce the energy intensity of our economy as a whole; and ultimately, to end our reliance on fossil fuels altogether.

And so President Biden’s policy goal of quickly reducing America’s consumption of energy is central to achieving both his climate objectives and his national security objectives.

Replacing fossil fuels with renewable energy, wind and solar, is claimed to be the best solution, technically and economically. In addition, nearly all energy consuming activities in the United States, both private and commercial, must be electrified. 

At the time of this writing in the summer of 2023, funding for renewable energy and for the Green New Deal has been partially enabled by the Inflation Reduction Act passed in the fall of 2022. However, the 371 billion dollars legislated under the IRA is a small fraction of the approximately 50 trillion dollars needed to reach the 2050 Net Zero target date.  

Biden’s national climate advisor Ali Zaidi claims that the president has left no stone unturned in finding ways to reduce America’s carbon emissions.

That claim is completely at odds with the facts. President Biden hasn’t come anywhere close to employing the full power of his office in quickly reducing America’s carbon emissions.

Progressive members of Congress have called upon President Biden to move well beyond the IRA and to formally declare a climate emergency which enables use of the full power of his office in quickly reducing America’s production and consumption of fossil fuels.

Even if the Green New Deal were to be fully funded, it is impossible to install enough wind turbines, enough solar panels, enough energy storage facilities, and enough new transmission lines nearly as quickly as President Biden and progressive members of Congress say that it must be done.

The hard reality is that President Biden’s policy goals for climate action and for securing American energy independence cannot be met without imposing strict and far-reaching energy conservation measures on America’s economy — conservation measures which by necessity must be highly coercive in their impacts and effects. 

* Objectives of the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan *

These are the primary objectives of the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan (SSCECP):

   – Implement a fast track approach for eliminating fossil fuels from America’s economy using only the President’s existing authorities as the nation’s Chief Executive.

   – Achieve President Biden’s climate change policy goals through a 50% reduction in America’s greenhouse gas emissions by 2030, net-zero carbon emissions in the electric power sector by 2035, and fully Net Zero in the American economy by 2050.

   – Achieve President Biden’s energy security policy goals by cutting America’s consumption of fossil fuels 50% by 2030, 70% by 2035, and 90% by 2050.

Any fast-track approach for quickly reducing America’s consumption of fossil fuels must achieve these additional objectives:

1 — Motivate all energy consumers to quickly reduce their overall energy consumption.
2 — Be highly effective in quickly reducing America’s greenhouse gas emissions.
3 — Be highly effective in quickly reducing America’s consumption of fossil fuels.
4 — Be conceptually and operationally simple to implement, relatively speaking.
5 — Be in alignment with past regulatory practice and past legal precedent.
6 — Be constitutionally and legally defensible in the courts.
7 — Be formulated and written in a way which discourages lawsuits.
8 — Incentivize the participation of the fifty state governments in controlling carbon emissions.
9 — Incentivize the participation of private sector fossil energy corporations in reducing fossil fuel production and distribution.

* The Methods and Means of the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan *

These are the methods and means through which the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan can be implemented without additional legislation from the Congress:

A – Establish a unified energy policy framework for carbon emission reductions and for fossil energy conservation measures which is highly resistant to legal challenges in the courts.
B – Integrate the President’s environmental protection authorities with his national security authorities under the umbrella of an Energy & Climate Crisis Response Plan (ECCRP).
C – Reprioritize those policy goals addressing quick reductions in our greenhouse gas emissions, placing them above all other environmental, social, and economic policy goals.
D – Incentivize energy conservation through imposing higher prices for all forms of energy and through imposing direct rationing of fossil fuel energy.
E – Redirect capital investments away from fossil fuels and towards wind and solar energy technologies backed by grid scale energy storage technology.
F – Consolidate all currently existing greenhouse gas reduction plans and agreements into the ECCRP and place these plans and agreements under direct federal control.
G – Identify yearly reductions in America’s carbon emissions as the primary metric for measuring progress in fighting climate change.
H – Identify yearly reductions in America’s consumption of fossil fuels as the primary metric for measuring progress in achieving American energy security and independence.
I – Expand and extend federal regulation of coal-fired and gas-fired power plants by invoking Section 111 of the Clean Air Act in accordance with past historical practice.
J – Expand and extend federal regulation of all greenhouse gases by classifying carbon emissions as criteria pollutants under Sections 108 and 110 of the Clean Air Act.
K – Establish cooperative agreements with the states to enforce the EPA’s anti-carbon regulations.
L – Establish a system of carbon pollution fines which is the functional equivalent of a legislated tax on carbon.
M – Establish a carbon fuel rationing program which directly constrains the production, import, and distribution of all fossil fuels.
N – Establish production control agreements with private sector fossil fuel producers and distributors.
O – Establish a guaranteed profit schedule for the carbon fuels industry in return for production & distribution cutbacks.
P – Indemnify and insulate carbon energy corporations against climate change lawsuits brought in the courts.
Q – Ban the export of coal, liquefied natural gas, and crude oil to nations outside the North American continent after December 31st, 2029.
R – Identify those lands, waters, and properties, either publicly owned or privately owned, which are to be reserved by the federal government for wind, solar, energy storage, and power transmission development.
S – Bypass or remove any and all regulatory review and planning obstacles to the siting and construction of new wind and solar energy facilities.
T – Establish a hard-target schedule for closing the greater portion of America’s legacy fossil fuel energy production and support infrastructure.
U – Continuously monitor and assess America’s progress in achieving President Biden’s climate change and energy security policy goals.

* The Eight Program Elements of the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan *

These are the eight major program elements of the SSCECP:

Element I: Establish the legal basis for regulating all of America’s carbon emissions (1941-2023. Status ‘Complete’)
Element II: Declare a Carbon Pollution Crisis, a Climate Change National Security Crisis, and an Energy Independence National Security Crisis. (2023)
Element III: Expand and extend federal regulation and control of all carbon emissions (2024)
Element IV: Establish an expanded carbon emission regulation program managed by the Environmental Protection Agency (2024)
Element V: Establish a carbon fuel rationing program managed by the Department of Energy (2024)
Element VI: Establish a process for expedited energy project siting, permitting, and approval. (2024)
Element VII: Publish and implement a National Energy Infrastructure Transition Plan (2024)
Element VIII: Perform ongoing monitoring & control activities (2024 through 2050)

These are the lower-level implementation details of the SSCECP, organized by major program element:

SSCECP Element I — Establish the legal basis for regulating all of America’s carbon emissions (1941-2023. Status ‘Complete’)

I-a: Impose government-mandated energy rationing in response to a declared national emergency, World War II. (1941-1945)
I-b: Pass legislation establishing the regulation of harmful atmospheric pollutants under the Clean Air Act. (1970)
I-c: Establish the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and further define and implement the process for controlling and reducing pollutants. (1970-2023)
I-d: File and win lawsuits to allow regulation of carbon dioxide and other carbon GHG’s as pollutants under the Clean Air Act. (2007)
I-e: Publish a Clean Air Act Section 202 Endangerment Finding as a prototype test case for regulation of carbon GHG’s. (2009)
I-f: Successfully defend the Clean Air Act Section 202 Endangerment Finding in the courts. (2010-2012)
I-g: Invoke a recent precedent, the War on Terror, for taking strong government action in response to an existential and long-lasting national security threat. (2001-2023)
I-h: Invoke a recent precedent, the COVID-19 pandemic, for taking strong government action in response to a declared national emergency. (2020-2023)
I-i: Invoke a recent precedent, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, for taking strong government action to quickly reduce America’s dependence on fossil fuels. (2022-2023)
I-j: Invoke a recent precedent, the destrUction of Lahaina on the island of Maui in Hawaii, for taking strong government action to quickly reduce America’s consumption of fossil fuels. (2023)

SSCECP Element II — Declare a Carbon Pollution Crisis, a Climate Change National Security Crisis, and an Energy Independence National Security Crisis. (2023)

II-a: Issue an Executive Order declaring a Carbon Pollution Crisis under the President’s Clean Air Act (CAA) authorities.
II-b: Issue an Executive Order declaring a Climate Change National Security Crisis under the President’s national security authorities.
II-c: Issue an Executive Order declaring an Energy Independence National Security Crisis under the President’s national security authorities.
II-d: Issue an Executive Order placing all current regional, state, intra-state, and local GHG reduction plans and agreements under direct federal authority and control.
II-e: Issue an Executive Order banning the export of coal, liquefied natural gas, and crude oil to nations outside the North American continent after December 31st, 2029.
II-f: Publish an Energy & Climate Crisis Response Plan (ECCRP) which establishes a defined strategic mix among three major policy directions covering: a) zero-carbon energy production; b) energy conservation technology; and c) mandated energy conservation measures.
II-g: Establish a comprehensive list of carbon emission reduction targets plus a detailed strategy and plan for reducing each category of carbon emissions.
II-h: Establish a comprehensive list of fossil fuel reduction targets plus a detailed strategy and plan for reducing each category of fossil fuel consumption.
II-i: Establish a formal process for coordinating and reconciling America’s carbon emission reduction goals with its environmental justice, climate justice, and social justice goals.
II-j: Assign a Climate Crisis Joint Interagency Task Force (CCJITF) comprised of all cabinet level departments, plus the National Security Agency, to manage the actions taken under the Energy & Climate Crisis Response Plan.
II-k: Create a joint interagency control board chartered with management and implementation of a phased systematic reduction in the production, import, and distribution of all carbon fuels.
II-l: Place this control board under the direct supervision of the President and his national security staff.
II-m: Defend the President’s energy & climate crisis actions as needed in response to lawsuits filed in the courts.

SSCECP Element III — Expand and extend federal regulation and control of all carbon emissions (2024)

III-a: Issue an Executive Order further defining the character and scope of the Carbon Pollution Crisis.
III-b: Issue an Executive Order further defining the character and scope of the Climate Change National Security Crisis.
III-c: Issue an Executive Order further defining the character and scope of the Energy Independence National Security Crisis.
III-d: Issue an Executive Order further defining the scope and objectives of the Energy & Climate Crisis Response Plan (ECCRP).
III-e: Issue an Executive Order integrating all current regional, state, intra-state, and local GHG reduction plans and agreements into the ECCRP.
III-f: Issue an Executive Order establishing an expanded carbon emission regulation program to be managed by the Environmental Protection Agency.
III-g: Issue an Executive Order establishing a carbon fuel rationing program to be managed by the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense.
III-h: Issue an Executive Order establishing an ongoing program for continuous monitoring and control of carbon emission reduction activities.
III-i: Issue an Executive Order establishing an ongoing program for continuous monitoring and control of fossil energy rationing activities.
III-j: Issue an Executive Order suspending the application of anti-trust regulations in the energy marketplace.
III-k: Issue an Executive Order allowing for the suspension of portions of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) in order to expedite environmental reviews of new-build wind and solar facilities.
III-l: Issue an Executive Order granting authority to the President to reverse the final decisions of federal, state, and local permitting agencies if those decisions are deemed to be ‘not in the national interest’ as that stipulation is defined within the Energy & Climate Crisis Response Plan.
III-m: Issue an Executive Order granting authority to the President to assert federal eminent domain over all lands, waters, and properties, either publicly owned or privately owned, identified as being necessary for the siting of new-build energy facilities.
III-n: Defend the President’s expansion of federal authority as needed in response to lawsuits filed in the courts.

SSCECP Element IV — Establish an expanded carbon emission regulation program managed by the Environmental Protection Agency (2024)

IV-a: Invoke language in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 which identifies carbon GHG’s as pollutants and which has the effect of granting direct Congressional authorization for EPA regulation of carbon emissions.
IV-b: Publish a series of anti-carbon regulations under Section 111 of the Clean Air Act targeted at coal-fired and gas-fired power plants. 
IV-c: Publish a Clean Air Act Section 108 Endangerment Finding which complements 2009’s Section 202 finding.
IV-d: Classify carbon emissions as ‘criteria pollutants’ under the Clean Air Act.
IV-e: Establish a National Ambient Air Quality Standard (NAAQS) for carbon pollution.
IV-f: Declare carbon emissions as Hazardous Air Pollutants (HAPs) under CAA Section 112.
IV-g: Use the NAAQS for carbon pollution as America’s tie-in to international climate change agreements.
IV-h: Defend the Section 108 Endangerment Finding, the NAAQS, and the Section 112 HAP Declaration in the courts.
IV-i: Publish a regulatory framework for carbon pollution under Clean Air Act sections 108, 111, 112, 202, and other CAA sections as applicable.
IV-j: Establish cooperative agreements with the states to enforce the EPA’s anti-carbon regulations.
IV-k: Establish a system of carbon pollution fines which is the functional equivalent of a legislated tax on carbon.
IV-l: Establish the legal basis for sharing the revenues collected from these carbon pollution fines among the federal and state governments.
IV-m: Defend the comprehensive system of carbon pollution regulations in the courts.

SSCECP Element V — Establish a carbon fuel rationing program managed by the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense (2024)

V-a: Research and publish a system for government-enforced carbon fuel rationing managed by the Department of Energy and the Deparment of Defense under the Defense Production Act.
V-b: Establish a time-phased, hard-target schedule for reducing the production and distribution of all carbon fuels.
V-c: Establish cooperative agreements with the state governments to enforce the federal government’s system of carbon fuel rationing.
V-d: Establish production control agreements with private sector fossil fuel producers and distributors.
V-e: Establish a guaranteed profit schedule for the carbon fuels industry in return for production & distribution cutbacks.
V-f: Indemnify and insulate the carbon fuels industry from climate change lawsuits in return for production & distribution cutbacks.
V-g: Defend the government’s system of carbon fuel rationing in the courts.

SSCECP Element VI — Establish a process for expedited energy project siting, permitting, and approval. (2024)

VI-a: Research and publish a system and process for expedited governmental review and permitting for the siting and construction of new-build wind, solar, energy storage, and power transmission facilities.
VI-b: Establish cooperative agreements with federal and state agencies for expedited reviews and approvals of energy infrastructure projects.
VI-c: Establish a register of new-build wind, solar, energy storage, and power transmission projects eligible for an expedited permitting review and approval process.
VI-d: For those projects listed on the expedited review register, establish a process and a procedure to be followed if the President reverses the final decisions of federal, state, and local permitting agencies, if those decisions are deemed ‘not in the national interest’.
VI-e: Establish a register of lands, waters, and properties, both publicly owned and privately owned, which may become the targets of federal reservation actions for the siting of new-build energy infrastructure.
VI-f: For those lands, waters, and properties listed in the reservation action register, establish a process and a procedure to be followed if the President asserts federal eminent domain over those lands, waters, and properties.
VI-g: Defend the government’s expedited siting, permitting, and environmental review processes in the courts.

SSCECP Element VII — Publish and implement a National Energy Infrastructure Transition Plan (2024)

VII-a: Research and publish a National Energy Infrastructure Transition Plan (NEITP) for the siting and construction of new-build wind, solar, energy storage, and power transmission facilities.
VII-b: Publish and implement a hard-target schedule for deployment of new-build wind and solar facilities, new-build grid-scale energy storage facilities, and new-build energy transmission capacity.
VII-c: Publish and implement a technology resource implementation plan which specifically identifies those energy technologies to be prioritized for near term investment, development, production, and deployment.
VII-d: Publish and implement a US Treasury policy plan for redirecting energy market financial investments as needed to support the federal government’s GHG and fossil fuel reduction goals.
VII-e: Publish and implement an Energy Infrastructure Land Use Plan (EILUP) which identifies those lands, waters, and properties, either publicly owned or privately owned, which are to be reserved by the federal government for wind, solar, energy storage, and power transmission development.
VII-f: Publish and implement an Energy Facility Closure Plan (EFCP) which specifically identifies which fossil energy facilities and their supporting infrastructures are to be permanently retired, including a specified target date for each facility and each infrastructure component.
VII-g: Defend the government’s national energy infrastructure transition plan in the courts.

SSCECP Element VIII — Perform ongoing monitoring & control activities (2024 through 2050)

VIII-a: Issue a further series of Executive Orders, as needed, to further define and further implement America’s carbon emissions regulatory framework, America’s carbon fuel rationing program, the federal government’s expedited energy facility permitting process, and the government’s energy infrastructure transition plan.
VIII-b: Identify yearly reductions in America’s carbon emissions as the primary metric for measuring progress in fighting climate change.
VIII-c: Identify yearly reductions in America’s consumption of fossil fuels as the primary metric for measuring progress in achieving American energy security and independence.
VIII-d: Monitor the effectiveness of the EPA’s carbon regulation framework in reducing America’s GHG emissions.
VIII-e: Monitor the effectiveness of renewable energy projects in reducing America’s GHG emissions and its fossil fuel consumption.
VIII-f: Monitor the effectiveness of energy conservation programs in reducing America’s GHG emissions and its fossil fuel consumption.
VIII-g: Monitor the effectiveness of carbon fuel rationing programs in reducing America’s GHG emissions and its fossil fuel consumption.
VIII-h: Monitor the progress of the National Energy Infrastructure Transition Plan in closing legacy fossil fuel energy facilities.
VIII-i: Adjust the schedule of carbon pollution fines upward if progress in reducing America’s GHG emissions and its consumption of fossil fuels lags.
VIII-j: Adjust the carbon fuel rationing targets upward if progress in reducing America’s dependence on fossil fuel lags.
VIII-k: Continue to defend the comprehensive system of carbon pollution regulations and the government-mandated energy rationing programs in the courts.
VIII-l: Continue to indemnify and insulate carbon energy corporations against climate change lawsuits brought in the courts.
VIII-m: Continue to assess the need for enforcing the government’s GHG reduction and fossil fuel rationing programs beyond the year 2050.

* GENERAL REMARKS *

This essay does not advocate for adoption of the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan. Rather, as said previuously, the essay uses the conceptual framework of the SSCECP as a vehicle for examining the question of how far could Joe Biden go in quickly reducing America’s consumption of fossil fuels using his own authorities as President.

Under this conceptual plan, the United States would be consuming roughly two-thirds as much energy by 2030 as we consume today in the year 2023, and possibly one-third as much energy by the the year 2050.

The SSCECP is a highly coercive approach for quickly reducing both our greenhouse gas emissions and our consumption of fossil fuels.  It is also legal and constitutional under current law, both our national security law and our environmental protection law.

Moreover, the SSCECP is the ultimate expression of how a close alliance among government agencies and private corporations can be employed in promoting their mutual social, environmental, and profit making objectives. 

The SSCECP can be implemented unilaterally by the Executive Branch using its existing environmental protection and national security authorities. Passage of the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, a Congressional act which specifically identifies carbon GHGs as pollutants, removed the last serious roadblock to the regulation of carbon emissions. Not another word of new legislation is needed from Congress either to enable the SSCECP legally or to fund its operation.

Nor does the plan require a separate line of funding in the federal government’s budget. The planning activities and regulation roll-out activities are easily accomplished within the existing spending authorities of the US-EPA, the US-DOE, the US-DOT, the USDT and the US-DHS.

A plan like the SSCECP will generate many lawsuits. But if the plan is applied with equal force against all major sources of America’s carbon emissions, and with equal impact upon all affected economic sectors and demographic groups, those lawsuits will go nowhere.

The SSCECP is specifically designed to survive any lawsuits brought against it, including those which might invoke the Major Questions Doctrine as it was applied in West Virginia versus EPA.

Even if the Congress passed specific legislation forbidding adoption of a plan like the SSCECP, a Presidential veto can kill that legislation with the stroke of a pen.

And so the big question remains. How far will President Biden go in acting upon his stated convictions? Will he, or won’t he, do all that is in his power as Chief Executive to reduce America’s carbon emissions and our consumption of fossil fuels just as far and as fast as he himself claims is necessary?

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Disclosure: I’ve spent thirty-five years in nuclear construction and operations. Because the bulk of my occupational radiation exposure has come from beta-gamma sources, my internet handle is Beta Blocker.

Scissor
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 27, 2023 7:59 am

Merry go round or circle jerk, you decide.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Scissor
August 27, 2023 9:16 am

See my response to general custer.

general custer
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 27, 2023 8:13 am

President Biden no longer has the mental acuity to play checkers, much less direct the largest economy on earth on a path to “Net Zero”. The entire effort is being directed by his staff, which are agents of an academic, media, bureaucratic and corporate alliance meant to further careers, power and financial rewards. Blaming Biden, a marionette for other interests, is as much of a fallacy as the existential climate crisis itself. It’s more important to identify the actual individuals and organizations promoting this fiction, many of whom are well-known, and crush their credibility.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  general custer
August 27, 2023 9:15 am

It’s been obvious for some time that Joe Biden doesn’t actually call the shots in his administration. He is simply the outward facing spokesman for the true policy makers operating behind the scenes.

However, he is the person who puts the official stamp of his signature on whatever documents and decrees need to be issued by the policy makers inside his administration.

They all act in his name. He is them, and they are him, for all practical purposes.

All of Biden’s cabinet members, senior advisors, and agency heads have bought into the climate change as existential threat narrative. These people haven’t gone nearly as far as they could go in suppressing America’s carbon emissions. Not by a long shot.

But the tempation to do it has to be there. These people are who they are, and their long-term vision for America is that it become a fully socialized command economy.

The SSCECP would give the people who call the shots in the Biden administration direct control over the lifeblood of the American economy, energy in all its various forms. A plan as bold and aggressive as the conceptual SSCECP would be the perfect means to do deliver their vision for America.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 27, 2023 11:51 am

The Swiss government is run by a federal council of seven. The council members elect a president for a one year term. The major difference between our (US) government is that we elect a president for 4 years, but we don’t know who the other 6 members of the council are. 🙂

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 27, 2023 9:21 am

My observations:

1) Your SSCECP, with its A–U delineated “methods and means”, is not a plan . . . it is a mash-up.

2) Your SSCECP, with eight major program elements, each further subdivided a–g or more, is classic bureaucrat speak.

3) Despite your introductory claim under the Methods and Means section that “These are the methods and means through which the Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan can be implemented without additional legislation from the Congress”, most of what you listed would be possible only with Congressional approval/legislation. You obviously think a President like Joe Biden should be given king-like powers as would be necessary to execute your proposed SSCECP joke. Among the most egregious of these:
“O – Establish a guaranteed profit schedule for the carbon fuels industry in return for production & distribution cutbacks.
P – Indemnify and insulate carbon energy corporations against climate change lawsuits brought in the courts.
Q – Ban the export of coal, liquefied natural gas, and crude oil to nations outside the North American continent after December 31st, 2029.
R – Identify those lands, waters, and properties, either publicly owned or privately owned, which are to be reserved by the federal government for wind, solar, energy storage, and power transmission development.
S – Bypass or remove any and all regulatory review and planning obstacles to the siting and construction of new wind and solar energy facilities.”
Furthermore, your recommendations for what Joe Biden could do via issuing Executive Orders is just absurd.

You clearly do not understand the US Constitution with its defined separation of powers, nor the concept of “rule of law”, nor that those powers not specifically granted to Federal, State or local governments rest with the people.

Rich Davis
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 27, 2023 1:04 pm

KnowItAll
Once again you’re off the wall. Beta Blocker is a long-time highly skeptical commenter. He doesn’t favor this, he is warning that it could be coming.

You clearly live in a world far from reality, where the original intent of the founding fathers has some connection with how the US government operates today.

As you know, there were no lockdowns or school closures in 2030-21 because that would require legislation and could not be done by executive order.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 27, 2023 1:12 pm

That bug people are complaining about where it tells you that you are posting comments to quickly slow down when you try to edit a comment to correct a typo is still an issue.

Of course it should say 2020-21 not 2030-21

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 27, 2023 5:49 pm

Yep, been experiencing that same bug for the last two weeks or so. Don’t know if it’s particular to WordPress or the WUWT use of such.

WUWT Editors: do you what’s happening in this regard?

ToldYouSo
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 27, 2023 5:53 pm

See . . . I could not even correct my last sentence to read “. . . do you know what’s happening . . .”

Got the error message about “You’re posting messages too quickly, slow down”

Beta Blocker
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 27, 2023 2:48 pm

It is my assumption that many of the various parts and pieces of the SSCECP concept have already been discussed and analyzed by the bureaucrats who run each particular department and agency which might have a direct interest in a particular area of regulatory power and responsibility.

What most probably has not yet been discussed and analyzed, at least not yet, is how to fully integrate those various parts and pieces in a way which combines national security law and practice with environmental regulation law and practice.

The result of that combination would be a highly unified and effective approach for quickly reducing America’s carbon emissions, a combination which is greater that the sum of its parts.

These people are smart. They’ve demonstrated how resilient they can be in dealing with emerging circumstances by revising their approach to regulating coal-fired and gas-fired power plants in ways which avoid the Major Questions Doctrine.

Combining national security law with environmental law is the next logical step for them to be taking. As concepts go, the SSCECP is the ultimate expression of what a unified approach to eliminating carbon fuels from America’s economy might look like.

If a second-term Biden administration is in the White House in 2025 — something which cannot be discounted at this point — the people who call the shots behind the scenes might be tempted to throw all political caution to the winds and put their vision for a socialist command-driven American economy on a fast track for completion.

A plan like the SSCECP would be the perfect means for them to try it.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 27, 2023 5:35 pm

“He doesn’t favor this, he is warning that it could be coming.”

Strange comment . . . a Web-wide search does NOT yield any hits for “Supply Side Carbon Emission Control Plan” or “SSCECP”. Therefore the logical conclusion, supported by the depth-of-detail provided, leads to the conclusion that Beta Blocker is indeed the author of the said SSCECP.

The entirety of his post shows that he supports it wholeheartedly. Even to the point of recommending outrageous Executive Orders.

Reading comprehension 101.

Rich Davis
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 27, 2023 6:03 pm

Reading comprehension 101 indeed. Try, try again and maybe you’ll comprehend eventually. Did you read Beta Blocker’s other comments? Does his comment about being a nuclear engineer give you no sense of context? Those guys are known to be predominately hippie commie libs.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 27, 2023 7:07 pm

And, dismissive of mathematics as well!

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 28, 2023 7:41 am

“Does his comment about being a nuclear engineer give you no sense of context?”

Answer: no.

You see, he made no comment to the effect that he was a nuclear “engineer” . . . all he posted was this:
“Disclosure: I’ve spent thirty-five years in nuclear construction and operations . . .”

For all that tells me, he may have just poured concrete foundations or laid/repaired plumbing for nuclear power plants . . . and that’s assuming there’s been no résumé inflation.

As for:

“Those guys are known to be predominately hippie commie libs.”

I will just say that is painting with a very large brush and, IMHO, is not merited.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 28, 2023 7:16 am

ToldYouSo: “The entirety of his post shows that he supports it wholeheartedly. Even to the point of recommending outrageous Executive Orders.”

TYS, what is abundantly clear is that you are as deep into narrative engineerring in the service of your agenda as are the climate activists you decry.

What is also abundantly clear is that you haven’t actually read the essay. You have merely skimmed over it and have jumped to unwarranted conclusions concerning what its true intent and purpose are.

The reasons why I’ve authored the SSCECP are clearly stated under GENERAL REMARKS. Which you obviously haven’t read.

What one discovers working in the nuclear industry is that the cross-currents of government oversight and regulation can be mind boggling.

Dealing with those regulations, and with the people who write and enforce those regulations, is both an art and a science.

If you are working on the industry side of the equation, your radar antenna must always be on the lookout for what might be coming at you on the regulatory horizon.

The climate activists inside the Biden administration haven’t gone nearly as far as they could go in weaponizing the regulatory powers of the federal government against the free market system. Not yet, anyway.

Here in the year 2023, the risk of severe political blowback is all that prevents these people from moving full speed ahead.

If a second term of the Biden administration is in office in 2025, these people will probably throw all political caution to the winds and use anti-carbon regulation to end free market capitalism in America.

One ignores this possibility at one’s own peril.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 28, 2023 8:21 am

Beta Blocker

You assert what is not true.

Under your “General Remarks” section you post:
“The SSCECP is a highly coercive approach for quickly reducing both our greenhouse gas emissions and our consumption of fossil fuels. It is also legal and constitutional under current law, both our national security law and our environmental protection law.
“Moreover, the SSCECP is the ultimate expression of how a close alliance among government agencies and private corporations can be employed in promoting their mutual social, environmental, and profit making objectives.” 

So:

1) Please provide the names of the individuals or law firms that have reviewed your SSCECP and issued findings that it is “legal and constitutional under current law, both our national security law and our environmental protection law” as you assert.

2) Please provide the basis for your assertion that governmental agencies have a profit-making objective, as you assert with your statement that “a close alliance among government agencies and private corporations can be employed in promoting their mutual social, environmental, and profit making objectives.” Such an objective is nowhere to be found in the US Constitution, and in practical terms the last time the US did not have a national debt was in 1835, 188 years ago, so it has failed miserably in achieving what you assert.

Your attempt to position your SSCECP as a “warning” of what might happen rings false.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 28, 2023 10:25 am

TYS: “Your attempt to position your SSCECP as a “warning” of what might happen rings false.”

Several explanations are possible for your refusal to heed a clear warning about what might be coming should climate activists throw all political caution to the winds: (1) you are a troll; (2) you are an idiot; (3) you are a narrow-minded ideologue; (4) you are willfully ignorant of the enormous power that Congress has ceded to the Executive Branch over the last fifty years; and last but not least (5) all of the above.

Here is my opinion as someone who has spent years in the trenches dealing with the impacts of government oversight and regulation, and also dealing with the people and the organizations which enforce and expand government oversight and regulation of American industry and of larger our larger American society as a whole. The evidence for your refusal to heed my clear warning points towards explanation number (5), all of the above.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 28, 2023 12:09 pm

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
— Socrates

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Rich Davis
August 28, 2023 7:57 am

“Once again you’re off the wall. Beta Blocker is a long-time highly skeptical commenter. He doesn’t favor this . . .

Excerpts from August 27, 2023 2:48 pm post by Beta Blocker:

“The result of that combination would be a highly unified and effective approach for quickly reducing America’s carbon emissions . . .”

“As concepts go, the SSCECP is the ultimate expression of what a unified approach to eliminating carbon fuels from America’s economy might look like.”

“A plan like the SSCECP would be the perfect means for them to try it.”

So, you still think that Beta Blocker is “highly skeptical” and doesn’t favor his SSCECP? Asking, of course, as one who is “off the wall” from YOUR perspective.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 27, 2023 10:05 am

Don’t you just love Marxist central planning?

ToldYouSo
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 27, 2023 10:40 am

That is, of course, an entirely rhetorical question you put to BB, isn’t it?

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 27, 2023 11:50 am

TYS,

Yes, it is a rhetorical question. It is meant to reflect my opposition to Marxism and Marxist central planning, which is what the SSCECP smacks of.

Beta Blocker
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
August 27, 2023 2:01 pm

The SSCECP doesn’t just smack of central planning. It is central planning. The concept merges the approach to central economic planning used to defeat the Axis powers in World War II with more modern tools of environmental regulation, doing so in ways which reinforce and amplify the power of government to impose a desired public policy outcome on the nation and its citizenry.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Beta Blocker
August 27, 2023 5:58 pm

” . . .doing so in ways which reinforce and amplify the power of government to impose a desired public policy outcome on the nation and its citizenry.”

WOW . . . the Nazi party of WWII would be oh-so-proud of that statement.

Ditto for followers of Marxism.

MCourtney
August 27, 2023 7:53 am

On the “The Climategate Gang Rides Again!” post AlanJ accused me of being “misleading at best” because I quoted the first reviewer of the redacted paper.
Obviously, I could not let this libel stand without objection. But I conceded that the libel was due to poor understanding of the issues by AlanJ and not malice.

The debate has moved on so people, may not have see that I concluded the debate with evidence that his objection to the paper’s conclusion conceded that the paper should not have been redacted.

AlanJ still denies that concession on the grounds that the IPCC does not believe there is a climate crisis. Which is the only defence he has left – either the conclusion of the paper is correct (there is no climate crisis, in agreement with mainstream science) or the paper and IPCC are junk science because they do not define the climate crisis.

It’s worth checking the debate and making up your own mind.
As the insulted party I’m obviously biased. But, in my opinion, AlanJ has demonstrated that the paper should not have been retracted by trying to argue it should have been and failing completely.

AlanJ
Reply to  MCourtney
August 27, 2023 9:15 am

The debate has moved on

On the contrary, the debate continues apace in the other thread.

paul courtney
Reply to  MCourtney
August 27, 2023 3:36 pm

Mr. Courtney: As you see, Mr. J matches his level of misunderstanding with his level of tendentious- see right here, you say it’s moved on, but he’s still “debating”, and enthusiastic about it. He mostly gaslights, then sticks aroud to prove his ignorance, then stands his ground. I do wish you had $ to throw at a suit, I’d tell you to waste it on wine instead. He can’t be worth the aggravation.

MCourtney
Reply to  paul courtney
August 27, 2023 4:28 pm

I say it’s moved on because the only people still posting on a few days old blog post is him and me.
And we’re both at the point of rephrasing our same arguments – talking past each other.

So I ask others to view the debate and judge it. It’s done. Finished. Who was right?

I’m not impartial; cannot say.

paul courtney
Reply to  MCourtney
August 28, 2023 8:11 am

Mr. Courtney: I could be biased in favor of a fellow Courtney, but IMHO you made points, and Mr. J. made allegations. Specifically, he accused several guys (including Pielke) of hiding source material. When the word “whistleblower” explains it, he doesn’t get it. When the whistleblower goes public, Mr. J concludes that there was never any reason NOT to disclose the identity. These are not rational points, whereas you walked him through the reasoning that I find valid, and not reasonably disputed (which makes Mr. J the pointman for the attack of the trolls) He’s fun to ridicule though.

Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 1:34 pm

Hurricane Franklin draws its energy from the warm western Atlantic.
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MattXL
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 28, 2023 8:06 am

And, thankfully, he will eject a stupendous amount of it directly into space. In addition, he’ll carry a bunch more energy north, where that will also dissipate to space.

Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 1:42 pm

Typhoon Saola draws its energy from the warm western Pacific Ocean.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 1:51 pm

Another typhoon in the Philippine Sea.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 2:00 pm

The tropical storm that will reach northern California will draw energy from the hot Gulf of Mexico.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 2:04 pm

Sorry, should be north Florida.

Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 2:45 pm

A system of three combined hurricanes.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
August 27, 2023 11:07 pm

A tropical storm in the Caribbean Sea is intensifying. Cloud tops reach the lower stratosphere and radiate infrared temperatures of -80 C.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
August 28, 2023 1:00 am

Typhoon Saola remains in the same place and will cause a significant drop in ocean surface temperatures.
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Ireneusz Palmowski
August 29, 2023 7:17 am

Two hurricanes are approaching the US coast.
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It doesnot add up
August 29, 2023 3:16 pm

Here’s why the future of wind is not bright.

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Ireneusz Palmowski
August 29, 2023 11:08 pm

Hurricane Idalia is moving north.
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