Offshore Wind Demands £95/MWh

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

h/t Philip Bratby

So now we get an actual figure on it!!

From the Telegraph:

No new wind farms will be built off Britain’s shores unless the Government lets operators earn more money from the electricity they produce, the chief of the nation’s biggest generator has said.

Tom Glover, country chair of RWE’s UK arm, said the price offered by the Government to wind farm operators must rise by as much as 70pc to entice companies to build.

Developers must be offered between £65 and £75 per megawatt hour (MwH) for the power generated from wind farms, Mr Glover said.

That compares to the £44 offered in the most recent government-run auction.

His warning follows the disastrous result of the last offshore wind allocation round in September, which ended in a humiliation for ministers with not one company offering to build new offshore wind farms.

Mr Glover called the incident “clumsy” and said a failure to increase the price offered to developers risked a repeat.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2023/10/25/electricity-prices-rise-70pc-pay-wind-farms-energy/

A number of commentators have rightly criticised this article as being pro-renewables, putting the blame on government. All they did, of course, was to believe the wind industry’s own propaganda about rapidly falling costs.

In particular, the article fails to point out that the prices mentioned are at 2012 prices, which incidentally should be dropped entirely in future auctions, as they are of no relevance and are highly misleading.

£75/MWh, for instance, equates to £95/MWh at current prices. This is an important omission by the Telegraph, because one commenter pointed out that since the current market prices is £100/MWh, offshore wind must still be a bargain!!

The whining of the wind lobby about inflation is also not really valid.

At last year’s auction, offshore wind projects such as Dogger Bank won contracts at £39.65/MWh. This year the govt set the bar at £44/MWh, thus handing a 10% price increase straightaway. And in the year just gone, about another 10% has been added on via RPI indexation.

So RWE and co are already being offered 20% more than projects were signing up for last year.

It may be that some of their costs are rising faster than general inflation, but any competent business builds in contingencies for things like that.

Also with inflation seemingly remaining stubbornly high, the index linked price will be much higher still by the time these projects are commissioned in a few years time.

The undeniable reality is that offshore wind never was viable at the fanciful prices signed up for last year and before. The cheapest offshore wind being sold via CfD is from Triton Knoll, which is being paid £97.82/MWh.

There never was any intention trigger those contracts, instead wind farm owners always planned to sell at much higher prices on the open market.

In the latest auction, this loophole was closed by the govt, leaving the wind industry between a rock and a hard place, with their bluff having been well and truly called.

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Bryan A
October 26, 2023 10:11 pm

Electricity prices must rise to pay for more wind…
Sure sounds like Free Wind Energy Generation is significantly more expensive than traditional FF generation

scvblwxq
Reply to  Bryan A
October 27, 2023 5:10 am

Free like fire.

gezza1298
Reply to  Bryan A
October 27, 2023 7:21 am

It makes running the grid more expensive even if were the same cost.

atticman
Reply to  Bryan A
October 27, 2023 8:16 am

“Sure sounds like Free Wind Energy Generation is significantly more expensive than traditional FF generation.”

Not to economics-deniers, it isn’t. They keep insisting it’s cheaper!

Dennis Gerald Sandberg
October 26, 2023 10:22 pm

Offshore wind is a mature technology. Let the market set the price, forget the rest. If no more wind gets built start horizontal drilling and fracking for natural gas (should have started 10 years ago). CO2 is not the climate control knob, that has been obvious for 10 years as well.

Denis
October 26, 2023 10:36 pm

I suspect that the main problem known to offshore wind companies but not revealed in public is very high maintenance cost. Salt, you know, eats the …. out of everything.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  Denis
October 27, 2023 4:43 am

There are lots of problems. Blade erosion, hub bearing wear particularly for larger turbines, gearbox wear for designs that have them, subsea cable failures… Siemens is now on the verge of bankruptcy because their repair contracts do not cover cost and their sales prices have been too low, and begging for bailouts.

https://fortune.com/2023/10/26/siemens-energy-government-support-wind-turbine-woes-threaten-gas-business/

Richard Page
Reply to  Denis
October 27, 2023 11:07 am

Salt may have had a go but the bearings seem to fail first on most offshore turbines. If they last 20 years it’ll be because they’ve had millions spent on keeping them running, an unsustainable maintenance situation.

doonman
October 26, 2023 10:47 pm

It sure is hard to make the wheels spin round.

Doesn’t Britain have a printing press it can use like Uncle Sam does?

Redge
Reply to  doonman
October 28, 2023 4:22 am

Doesn’t Britain have a printing press it can use like Uncle Sam does?

Yes, It’s called the Labour Party, although these days there’s very little difference between any of the parties

observa
October 26, 2023 11:06 pm

That’s a small hiccup in the Great Transition and the Australian State of Victoria has a cunning plan to overcome such minor details-
Premier Jacinta Allan outlines Victoria’s plan to revive the State Electricity Commission | Watch (msn.com)
60,000 unionised public sector workers in the Department of Cheap Renewables will soon sort out all those private sector screw merchants ripping off the poor power consumer. Just you wait and see.

bnice2000
Reply to  observa
October 27, 2023 12:33 am

Oh No .. Not a Baldrick-style “cunning plan” ! 🙂

Mr.
Reply to  bnice2000
October 27, 2023 9:38 am

With socialist governments, it’s always a binary choice when it comes to planning –
a) a totally moronic plan;
b) a cunning plan.

When asked why the c) “no plan required” option was not offered, the response is always –
“because we had to DO SOMETHING!

Nansar07
Reply to  bnice2000
October 27, 2023 12:52 pm

I have weasels tail if needed

bnice2000
Reply to  observa
October 27, 2023 12:37 am

Where the **** will Victoria print some $1 billion dollars.

Seriously what a LOAD OF CRAP !

Daily Motion… that just about sums it up!

Peta of Newark
October 27, 2023 12:06 am

“”Mr Glover called the incident “clumsy” and said a failure to increase the price offered to developers risked a repeat.

as Spock might say: Fascinating

-Tell us more, is there an Elegant & Graceful Way of telling blatant flat-out lies and ripping people off?

silly me
It’s called Socialism

At least the perpetrators think so…..

Jim Masterson
October 27, 2023 12:06 am

ABBA: Money, Money, Money.

Redge
Reply to  Jim Masterson
October 28, 2023 4:24 am

ABBA Redux: Other, People’s,Money

michel
October 27, 2023 1:17 am

The green dream on electricity has two elements, one being production. Its increasingly clear that production by the favored methods of the activists, wind and solar, are hugely expensive way of delivering a product which, by itself, is unusable.

The product only works at all when combined with an equal amount of open cycle gas generating capacity, which isused whenever the wind drops or its night.

Its now becoming clear that the cost of delivering even this unusable product, before you add in the necessary cost of the parallel gas generation, is way over that of conventional generation.

The second element is use, and the case of electric cars is now attracting serious attention, and its a disaster. This part of the project envisages the replacement of ICE cars with EVs, while everything else carries on pretty much the same.

Here are two recent, detailed, specific pieces from Real Clear Energy on the approaching EV disaster:

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/10/24/mega-jolt_the_costs_and_logistics_of_plugging_in_evs_are_about_to_become_supercharged_987493.html#%2F%2Ffind%2Fnearest%3Fcountry=US

https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2023/10/25/the_political_risks_of_mandating_evs_for_everyone_988506.html

Basically, the project is doomed. You can’t generate the electricity from wind and solar. If you could, its too expensive. You can’t make and sell all the EVs the project needs. If you could, you couldn’t build enough charging stations to support current ICE usage patterns.

Read these two pieces. They are very specific and will leave you in no doubt that its not going to happen. Here is a short extract as an example:

The scale of the transition is so immense and involves such uncharted waters that there’s no consensus on the amount of public chargers that will be needed.
According to a California Energy Commission assessment,

California will need more than 2.4 million public chargers to accommodate about 15.5 million electric cars, trucks, and buses by 2035. That breaks down to 2.11 million chargers (including 83,000 fast chargers) to support 15.2 million electric cars, as well as 256,000 depot chargers and 8,500 public chargers for 377,000 trucks and buses.
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The 2.4 million chargers would serve only half the registered vehicles in the state. Many more will be necessary to complete the second half of the transition, from 15.5 million EVs to more than 31 million EVs by mid-century.

By comparison, California now has about 11,000 gas stations, convenience stores, and other businesses that sell gasoline, which roughly converts to about 110,000 individual gas nozzles, according to an estimate by Jeff Lenard, vice president of Strategic Industry Initiatives at the National Association of Convenience Stores. That means the transition from fossil fuels to electrons will require California to install at least 20 EV charging ports for every gas nozzle by 2035.

Not all chargers are equal, so the new EV infrastructure will require significant changes in driving habits. While so-called fast chargers can bring a battery to 80% of capacity in under an hour, most of the new public chargers will be cheaper, Level 2 technology, which provides between 5 miles and 60 miles of range for each hour of charging, and isn’t practical for charging up quickly on a road trip.

It is not going to happen as hoped. The thing to focus on now is what will actually happen as politicians press ahead in defiance of reality.

Bryan A
Reply to  michel
October 27, 2023 11:55 pm

Children aren’t going to know what a Road Trip is.
Children will see a road trip as a rare and wondrous event.
Children just aren’t going to learn the phrase… Are we there yet?

strativarius
October 27, 2023 1:50 am

It’s cheap as chips in Grauniadland….

It doesnot add up
Reply to  strativarius
October 27, 2023 4:57 am

That’ll be £37 plus 12.5% service charge for eight chips and a sliver of fish at Kerridge’s Fish and Chips in Harrods.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12677647/The-chef-charging-110-80-fish-chip-supper-two-JAN-MOIR-puts-Tom-Kerridges-posh-British-classic-test.html

Getting on for enough to pay for a trip to Harry Ramsden’s in Leeds.

Richard Page
Reply to  It doesnot add up
October 27, 2023 11:17 am

It’s worse than you thought, £37 is just for the fish, for the full meal it’s £41.63! My local chippy get’s their fish fresh each day, hand cuts the potatoes into chunky chips like those and charges under a tenner for more than you get there. It’s location, location, location and Harrod’s shoppers have more money than brains, obviously.

Bryan A
Reply to  It doesnot add up
October 27, 2023 11:56 pm

My oh my, those are glorious chips though

Richard Page
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 3:30 am

A bit peckish now?

Peta of Newark
October 27, 2023 2:19 am

The money grubbing is now just soooo ingrained.

Yesterday and out of curiosity, I filled in a little questionnaire about how much money a Solar PV System would save off my electricity bill/usage.
(I already have a 4kW system)

It told me, = “57pence per day “
Well this is fantastic, what am I waiting for..
Oh, £7,000 quids of spare money is what I’m waiting/looking for to install a 4kW system (UK price)
Meaning: I’m going to be £1,800 down on this deal after 25 years.
Mmmmm, think of the Polar Bears..

OK and having discounted polar bears in favour of House Sparrows and Pigeons (ÔÔ), off we pop to ebay. Not exactly The Cheapest Place in this universe but it’s a start:

  • A 300W panel is £139.99
  • A 4kW grid-tied inverter is £609.99

ÔÔ Just like us, they need somewhere to nest under and poop upon

I’d need 14 of those panels, a ladder ##, bits of wire & some screws *plus* a head-for-heights but me myself I could fix up that 4kW solar system for well less than £3,000 – of which £500 would be tax straight into the UK Exchequer
## Or some bits of timber and large garden just to nail it down to the ground
(Moles and Earthworms: Watch out from above!)

Saving Nature is not easy yanno….

Tom in Florida
October 27, 2023 4:34 am

Looks like the wind farm owners are running out of other people’s money.

atticman
Reply to  Tom in Florida
October 27, 2023 8:21 am

That’s probably why shares in Greencoat UK Wind Investment Trust have been on a generally downward trajectory of late…

Richard Page
Reply to  atticman
October 27, 2023 11:18 am

Good. It’s a start.

John Pickens
October 27, 2023 4:57 am

This pricing proves that wind is net energy negative. It is an elaborate version of a fraudulent perpetual motion machine.

Richard Page
Reply to  John Pickens
October 27, 2023 11:19 am

It proves that wind turbines are powered by money, lots of it.

Energywise
October 27, 2023 5:13 am

Why? They never honoured their previous CfDs, instead, they sold on spot markets at 10x the price, making billions in profits
I hope Sunak grows a pair and tells them to go forth and multiply

Ian_e
Reply to  Energywise
October 27, 2023 10:27 am

Yep: but (spoiler alert) don’t hold your breath!

Energywise
October 27, 2023 5:44 am

Story tip
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/10/27/uk-energy-consumption-falls-as-renewables-dip/

Hmmmmm, that modest 4% reduction in renewable generation doesn’t factor in the significant reduction due to the wind not blowing or the Sun not shining

Deceit dressed as misinformation is still deceit

Solar output is already virtually zero as we move from Autumn to Winter, Wind will follow, what will keep the lights on? Not National Grids demand side reduction comedy
https://www.energylivenews.com/2023/10/27/ofgem-approves-esos-demand-flexibility-service-for-this-winter/

joel
Reply to  Energywise
October 27, 2023 6:33 pm

. . . Wind will follow . . .
Must beg to differ. See the attached graphic. Winter is the best time in the UK for windpower.

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Richard Page
Reply to  joel
October 28, 2023 6:10 am

Now take a look at maximum/minimum wind speeds and average wind speeds over the year. Winter is characterised by sudden spells of high winds mainly in October/November and February but lower wind speeds throughout the winter months. Many of the Spring and Autumn months will give consistently above average speeds over the whole few months with Summer consistently lower speeds. Averages will tell a deceptively different story if you just use them; you should use them together with detailed data to build a picture, not on their own.

Rod Evans
October 27, 2023 5:54 am

Is this a clear example of an industry asking the government for ‘windfall profits’?
The market would normally operate and state bureaucrats would not have to trouble themselves with deciding how much profit a private company should be given.
Now in the ruinable (sic) energy industry the state has taken over the role of price setting, profit allocation and investment guarantor.
Why does that remind me of the failed USSR?

It doesnot add up
October 27, 2023 7:33 am

I make the current value of a CFD priced at £75/MWh in 2012 money to be £100.32/MWh. The LCCC inflation factor is 1.337566. This is substantially above the day ahead market prices in recent months. This chart shows both the simple time average of day ahead prices, and the average weighted by intermittent actual production, which works out somewhat lower, because production tends to be lower when supply is tight, and contributes to lower prices when the wind blows.

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wilpost
Reply to  It doesnot add up
October 29, 2023 1:47 pm

NEW offshore systems are more expensive per installed MW, the reason they need more than $115/kWh to be profitable

OLD offshore systems were placed in operation when costs were lower

DMacKenzie
October 27, 2023 8:23 am

“Phalanx” or “Array” is a much better word for wind turbine groups than “Farm” which is a word chosen for it’s “feel-good” connotation.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 27, 2023 8:34 am

Think of Funny Farm and you’ll get the idea.

SteveZ56
October 27, 2023 9:30 am

Electricity prices as sold to the end user (after generating costs, transmission costs, administrative costs, and profit margins) are less than $0.15/kWh in 35 out of the 50 states in the USA. At the current exchange rate of $1.22 per pound sterling, this is equivalent to 123 UK pounds per MWh, without government subsidies.

Power costs are higher ($0.18 to $0.22 per kWh) in states that try to restrict use of natural gas or coal, such as California, New York, and most of the Northeastern states.

So why should British taxpayers be forced to pay 65 to 75 pounds per MWh to the government, which doles it out to wind farm companies, in addition to the market price of the power they consume? This is equivalent to more than a 50% tax on electric power.

About 250 years ago, the British government imposed a confiscatory tax, and the resulting rebellion cost them a huge part of their former empire. They should learn from history!

Richard Page
Reply to  SteveZ56
October 27, 2023 11:30 am

About 250 years ago a myth was born that the British government imposed confiscatory taxes, more taxes, ruinous taxes or punitive taxes (take your pick, everyone’s got some word or another for it). It was the exact same tax they’d been paying all along, just done centrally through London, instead of locally. It was designed to stop piracy by exposing and shutting down the fences that sold the stolen goods – that’s why so many signatories to the declaration of independance are coastal merchants or lawyers representing coastal merchants. See, the truth is far better than the myth; go look it up if you’re not sure, it’s all true.

Bob
October 27, 2023 1:33 pm

This is confusing. It says the government is offering 44 pounds per megawatt hour for companies to build wind farms. Is the government buying the energy or guaranteeing that price to producers? How does this relate to the cost for the consumer? Is fossil fuel and nuclear generation handled the same way?

It doesnot add up
Reply to  Bob
October 27, 2023 4:23 pm

The £44/MWh price is in 2012 money. It is indexed by consumer inflation, and would be worth £58.85/MWh currently. The way it works is that the government has set up a special intermediary company called the Low Carbon Contracts Company that handles the money flows. CFD contracts pay or receive the difference between the CFD strike price and the market reference price, for which they use hourly prices from the day ahead market, multiplied by the metered generation for each wind farm for each hour. For wind farms in operation currently, the average strike price is about £170/MWh, so with market prices being rather lower (below £100/MWh), the LCCC are paying out to wind farms. They collect the money in advance from electricity retailers by having a reserve that they charge and a daily “interim levy”. Every quarter they true up the account and pay out any refund due if it turns out they overcharged on the interim levy. If the interim levy looks like being too low, they will increase it mid period. But always they hang on to a healthy cash pool. Retailers count the costs of these payments in billing customers. The government guarantees that this will happen, but is not formally an intermediary. If Hinkley Point nuclear power station comes on stream it will also be subject to the CFD system, with a small twist: it is considered baseload, and therefore its CFD will be benchmarked on a different basis supposedly suited to baseload operation, but in practice baseload pricing has been very problematic.

The actual electricity produced by any generator is sold on the open market, and can be sold at any time in advance. A wind farm might choose to sell on a fixed price PPA for example. However, sales contracts have to be registered centrally and create a supply obligation. A sale of 20MW over a year is divided up into 17,520 half hour blocks of 10MWh each, day and night 48×365. A gas generator will be prepared to sell power in advance if they can buy gas to match at a price that yields a profit, and because their equipment is reasonably reliable they can be confident of being able to supply from their own generation. But a wind generator has little guarantee that a forward sale will be matched by windy weather until quite close to the event, so wind farms tend not to commit until the day ahead market. Because that matches the basis for the CFD they are also not at risk for any difference between a sales price and the market reference price, so their effective income becomes the Strike Price for the CFD.

If any generator (wind, gas, nuclear…) takes no corrective action in the market then any difference between its contracted supply via sales contracts and what it actually supplies is charged or credited at the System balancing price. That will typically be very disadvantageous compared with taking corrective market action, because balancing market prices reflect the incentives necessary to get other generators to do something that would be unprofitable – and often some of them hold a very strong position as being essential to providing the correction needed. Note that this only applies to contracted sales: all CFD payments are calculated on actual generation.

Corrective action for wind farms may entail buying supply from other generators – typically gas/CCGT – in order to make good potential shortfall in their own output. If they anticipate a surplus then they will likely need to sell at a discount that compensates a CCGT plant for loss of profit if it lowers its own output and has to resell the gas it bought or pay a penalty for not taking it. When it’s really windy there may not be enough other generation that they can back out, and market prices will go negative, encouraging those with the smallest subsidies to curtail: usually they will hope to be paid to curtail in the balancing mechanism. This ensures that the most expensive subsidised renewables keep generating if they can, in a perversion of normal merit order economics, because their subsidies will outweigh the negative prices.

Consumers get saddled with the market prices paid by retailers, plus all the subsidies paid out under the CFD and ROC schemes (the latter adds over £6bn a year to bills, and is also an index linked scheme), anythig suppliers pay for REGO greenwash certificates, charges in the Balancing Mechanism (which have rocketed from about £500m to £4bn a year because of the difficulties of dealing with renewables), and for the high voltage transmission system (a cost escalating rapidly with all the extra pylons and interconnectors needed for high renewables output), and the low voltage regional and local distribution systems (a cost that is about to go through the roof as everythig is recabled to cope with EVs and heat pumps), plus other assorted green charges including carbon taxes that actually are collected by fossil fuel generators in the prices they charge, and including smart meters, social discounts for the impoverished, a programme of green insulation works (EcoHomes), and the costs of actually running their business including unprofitable hedges and perhaps a tiny profit. Now also being loaded onto bills are the costs of the myriad bankruptcies of small and not so small retailers who were caught out unhedged by the supply crisis, and some clawback of the consumer subsidies paid out by government last winter. The result is some of the most expensive electricity anywhere in the world – particularly if you have the misfortune to be a small business like an independent shop.

Bob
Reply to  It doesnot add up
October 27, 2023 8:14 pm

I am now more confused than I was before but have the distinct feeling I am being screwed.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  Bob
October 28, 2023 5:20 am

I guess at least you now know they make it too complicated for most people to understand. That includes about 99% of politicians, and probably 100% of journalists (other than in the specialist press).

Sommer
Reply to  It doesnot add up
October 28, 2023 12:22 pm

Is it possible that the confusion has been created on purpose so that a criminal investigation would be beyond the capability of investigators? What kind of a sleuth could handle this?

wilpost
Reply to  Bob
October 29, 2023 1:51 pm

You need more indoctrination to make you a believer, no matter what, screwed or not

Jim Gorman
October 28, 2023 6:18 am

Where is Nick and his free fuel means low prices schtick.

seeWemm
October 29, 2023 10:13 am

How does this work?
Are smoke and mirrors involved?

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