Offshore Wind cannot be justified

From CFACT

David Wojick

Paul Driessen and I just finished a study on the impact of offshore wind developments on CO2 emissions, since emission reduction is their primary justification. Turns out global emissions from mining, processing, manufacturing and transportation offset any reductions from power production.

The full study report is published by CFACT’s NetZero Reality Coalition:

How Offshore Wind Drives Up Global Carbon Emissions

David Wojick, PhD, Paul Driessen, JD

Click here with other important studies and articles.

Here is the Executive Summary

Offshore wind facilities are enormously expensive and environmentally destructive. The primary purported justification for constructing them is to reduce “carbon” (carbon dioxide or CO2) emissions and save the planet from “catastrophic climate change.” However, this justification is not just built on a false premise; adding offshore wind to a state’s energy mix will most likely increase global CO2 emissions. That means the net emission benefits are hugely negative, as are other net environmental and economic effects.

This study finds that carbon dioxide reductions from local (state and national, as opposed to global) wind power generation are greatly overstated. For starters, any CO2 decrease will be small at best, largely because the intermittency of necessary wind speeds forces backup gas-fired power emissions to increase when the wind isn’t blowing. (Sufficient backup electricity from battery modules is also hugely expensive, heavily reliant on raw materials that are in short supply, and likely a decade or more away.)

The net result is that adding offshore wind to the existing coal, gas and nuclear and/or hydroelectric power system, though modestly lowering emissions at first glance, does little to reduce local power emissions overall because of the gas (or coal) backup generation now needed to maintain a stable grid.

But the story gets worse.

Often overlooked are the other factors associated with wind energy that actually drive up emissions. For example, supply chain emissions from constructing offshore wind facilities to replace existing generation facilities will be very large. Supply chain emissions include those arising from all the steps required to create an offshore wind facility: mining and processing the necessary metals and minerals, manufacturing components, constructing turbines and substations on site, and operating, maintaining, replacing, and ultimately decommissioning and landfilling worn out, damaged and obsolete equipment. They also include the myriad transportation steps along the way, via ship or truck.

These supply chain emissions are global and add to the global atmosphere. Thus, the net result of combining small local CO2 reductions with large increases in emissions via the supply chain is not a reduction in global atmospheric CO2, but an overall increase of atmospheric CO2.

In short, the “emission reduction” justification touted by proponents of building offshore wind facilities is simplistic and false.

Finally, another justification for building wind farms is that they benefit local job creation. This too is by-in-large false. One reason is that such jobs are subsidized by local electric power ratepayers that will likely see their electricity prices soar, leading to layoffs in many businesses and the closing of businesses and entire industries – making the net benefit minimal, zero or even negative. Even worse, much of the ratepayer and taxpayer money behind offshore wind facilities will go overseas, because that is where the supply chain exists. In short, the jobs created by wind energy should be viewed as costs, not benefits.

Moreover, few local jobs will be created directly by offshore wind energy facilities, because building them is a simple assembly project, not a construction project. This is because the parts being assembled are primarily manufactured and fabricated overseas. These include the towers, turbines, blades, connecting cables, substations and transformers. Adding insult to injury, assembling offshore turbines is typically done by highly specialized ships primarily provided by foreign nations.

Local or US jobs are likely to be relatively few and even low-paying installation, maintenance, repair, decommissioning and recycling/landfilling jobs. Factory jobs manufacturing offshore wind turbine components will likely disappear, because US factories will no longer have reliable, affordable power in a wind-solar-battery-backup-gas-turbine economy; will be faced with hiring highly paid American workers; and thus will not be able to compete with Asian and other foreign competitors.

Also on the local level, once the actual overseas emission increases and local reductions are known, it is possible to calculate a cost per ton of carbon dioxide reduction. This number is likely to be very large, certainly in the thousands of dollars per ton and possibly much more. Moreover, supply chain costs will almost assuredly grow because critical raw material shortages are predicted as demand increases.

This study is only and initial examination of the complex issues surrounding the alleged justification for massive offshore wind development. For illustrative purposes, we have used a few simple examples, such as New Jersey’s 11,000-MW offshore wind target and emissions created along the supply chain for installing mostly monopile turbines.

However, our findings are more general in scope and application. In brief, for all offshore wind installations:

A. Local power system emission reductions will be small.

B. Supply chain emissions will be large.

C. Global emissions will therefore increase, not decrease.

Conclusion 1: There are no carbon dioxide emission reduction benefits, and thus no manmade climate change amelioration justifications for offshore wind development.

Our secondary findings explain in greater detail why this is so.

A. Any local jobs created will be exorbitantly costly when US wage scales, “clean energy” subsidies and ratepayer increases are factored in, and thus are likely to be relatively few and low-paying.

B. Many existing local jobs will disappear, as electricity costs replace fossil fuel costs and rise steadily – resulting in layoffs in many economic sectors and reduced spending by cash-strapped families.

C. Supply chain costs are bound to go up due to rising US and global demand for and looming shortages of essential metals and minerals.

Conclusion 2: Offshore wind projects and infrastructure are tremendously expensive, will provide pricey intermittent electricity, and thus will destroy numerous American jobs while supporting few long-term jobs that offer similar wages.

Conclusion 3: Offshore wind projects and infrastructure inflict numerous other costs that thus far have not been factored into any cost-benefit analyses for the industry.

Conclusion 4: The net “carbon” (carbon dioxide) reduction effects of offshore wind development are thus hugely negative and cannot justify further investments in this industry.

David Wojick

Dr. David Wojick is an independent policy analyst and senior advisor to CFACT. As a civil engineer with a Ph.D. in logic and analytic philosophy of science, he brings a unique perspective to complex policy issues. His specializes in science and technology intensive issues, especially in energy and environment. As a cognitive scientist he also does basic research on the structure and dynamics of complex issues and reasoning. This research informs his policy analyses. He has written hundreds of analytical articles. Many recent examples can be found at https://www.cfact.org/author/dwojick/ Often working as a consultant on understanding complex issues, Dr. Wojick’s numerous clients have included think tanks, trade associations, businesses and government agencies. Examples range from CFACT to the Chief of Naval Research and the Energy Department’s Office of Science. He has served on the faculty of Carnegie Mellon University and the staff of the Naval Research Laboratory. He is available for confidential consulting, research and writing.

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Tom Halla
November 22, 2023 2:07 pm

Another iteration of Green Prayer Wheels.

observa
November 22, 2023 2:21 pm

In short, the “emission reduction” justification touted by proponents of building offshore wind facilities is simplistic and false.

You mean just like subsidised rooftop solar?
Residential solar power saves less energy than expected (techxplore.com)

More Soylent Green!
November 22, 2023 2:24 pm

There is little of no gain from corn ethanol but that program keeps going and going. It has a powerful lobby behind it and it’s unstoppable. It would cost the taxpayers less just to pay farmers a guarantied basic income and return the land to growing food.

One reason the corn ethanol lobby is so powerful is because of the Iowa Presidential Caucus. Nobody running for president wants to lose Iowa so they keep supporting the ethanol boondoggle. Using food for fuel makes no sense. It only raises food prices and the subsidies actually go to a few Big Ag companies.

People running for president want early momentum. Iowa is key. Change the order of the state primaries/caucuses and see how this program loses momentum quickly.

observa
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 22, 2023 2:44 pm

….the subsidies actually go to a few Big Ag companies.

Hey hush up as it’s hard enough with the middle class welfare boondoggle for our coal fired Chinese solar panels and inverters getting cut back by the day-
Rooftop solar feed-in tariffs to be slashed another 33 pct as duck curve grows – One Step Off The Grid
Obviously we planet savers need some subsidies for some coal fired Chinese batteries to fix this dire situation lest we cop negative pricing dumping on our neighbours. It’s the only Green thing to do.

ScarletMacaw
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 22, 2023 3:24 pm

Ted Cruz came out opposed to ethanol subsides/requirements in 2016 and still won the Iowa caucus.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 23, 2023 4:42 am

“There is little of no gain from corn ethanol but that program keeps going and going. It has a powerful lobby behind it and it’s unstoppable.”

This is true. Even President Trump wouldn’t touch this one. He wanted to win in Iowa.

michael hart
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
November 23, 2023 11:55 am

I can certainly see the economic arguments against the agro-subsidies.
It’s not like the EU didn’t use to spend the larger part of it’s budget on them for decades.

Apart from apparently non-existent olive farms in many Mediterranean locations, much of it seemed to go to French farmers. Strange, that.
Campaigning against those iniquities didn’t earn the Iron Lady many friends in Europe, even though large UK farmers also had their snouts in the trough.

I don’t really know how it currently works in the US, but there may well come a time when China et. al. decide they have to buy much more food from the Americas.

Since there is
1)Probably only so much agricultural land China can buy in Australia,
2) The bargain-basement agricultural land Black Rock et. al. are allegedly snapping up in Ukraine may turn out to have a Russian landlord, and
3) Bill Gates seemingly doesn’t want so many people in the world now that he has reproduced and is buying land,
then farmers may find themselves more popular again. And better able to earn a living without subsidies.

Bob
November 22, 2023 2:49 pm

Very nice. I don’t see how wind or solar could ever be made economical. That is not the issue, the CAGW crowd could care less about the economics of their path forward. All that concerns them is power, they expect us to pay any price to put and keep them in power. Guess what that isn’t going to happen. The fastest way forward for the rest of us is to stop subsidizing them. No more subsidies, no more tax preferences, no more regulatory preference, no more market preference in other words they have to compete with fossil fuel and nuclear head to head. Better freshen up your resumes boys you’re going to need them

AndyHce
Reply to  Bob
November 22, 2023 3:49 pm

Once your violent revolution lets you hang a few million, or more, from lamp posts, trees, and anything else handy. Otherwise, no time soon.

Bob
Reply to  AndyHce
November 22, 2023 4:54 pm

So you think asking wind and solar to compete head to head with fossil fuel and nuclear is a violent revolution. For the record that is exactly how I think it should be. You can think what you want.

cgh
Reply to  AndyHce
November 22, 2023 5:48 pm

Got news for you, Andy. This was exactly the election question in Ontario in 2018 and 2022. Doug Ford ran a campaign squarely against the Liberals and their Green Energy Act. The results were:
1. Ford won two back to back majority governments;
2. the Liberals were reduced to non-Party status both elections;
3. the Tories gained seats in a host of northern Ontario ridings normally safe seats for the Liberals and NDP.

The public experienced the disaster of the Green Energy Act of 2009 and its resulting factory shutdowns and closures. End result: the socialists have destroyed their own voting base within the workers of Ontario – all of them except the zombies in the public sector unions.

This was no violent revolution. It was simply the expected, crushing electoral defeat of a policy which had ruined lives and careers for a decade.

The same thing is happening elsewhere in Canada on this question of renewables, particularly Alberta and Saskatchewan.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  Bob
November 22, 2023 4:29 pm

“I don’t see how wind or solar could ever be made economical.” Given the right location and use pattern rooftop solar works for private homes.

Bob
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
November 22, 2023 4:50 pm

I have no problem with personal solar but I don’t want subsidies for them, they should not be hooked up to the grid so if you generate excess power now and then invest in a battery to store it.

cgh
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
November 22, 2023 5:49 pm

And you propose to clean the snow off them how?

Mr.
Reply to  cgh
November 22, 2023 6:22 pm

he did say ” the right location”

If you’re ever going to need snow-clearing, you’re not in the right location for solar panels.

Dennis Gerald Sandberg
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
November 22, 2023 7:40 pm

Never, not without a grid connection to dump excess even if there is no demand, and the same grid connection for when the sun isn’t shinning. I live in SoCal, if it doesn’t make sense here it doesn’t anywhere.

My solar is economical for me because I get credited 30cents/kwh on moderate temperature sunny days when the FMW is 3 cents/kwh, and I don’t have to pay a grid access fee even though the insane policy that subsidizes me makes electricity more expensive for everyone without solar. The world would be a better place without grid connected wind and solar. It’s not complicated.

observa
November 22, 2023 2:56 pm
observa
Reply to  observa
November 22, 2023 7:27 pm

PS: Apparently Minister they don’t think the idea of Hamas type hospital basements is a really flash idea-
Electric Car Explosions Worldwide – YouTube

michel
November 22, 2023 3:07 pm

Story Tip: The Dutch Election Results

“Het tijdperk-Rutte eindigt met een rechts-populistische revolte die het Binnenhof op zijn grondvesten doet schudden. De historische verkiezingsoverwinning die de PVV woensdag boekte, overtrof alle verwachtingen.”

The Rutte era ends with a right-populist revolt which has shaken the Binnenhof [equivalent = Westminster or Washington] to its foundations. The historic election victory that the PVV registered on Wednesday exceeded all expectations.

From the NRC, the Dutch business paper.

This is exit polls, so its not the official result yet. But on the big party fortunes its not going to be much different.

So we had the Farmers Party in one revolt, but this is much more serious. Its a proportional representation system, and while the PVV is the biggest party it is far from having an absolute majority, so there will now be a long period of bargaining to try to assemble a right wing coalition. Its going to be impossible to keep Wilders out of the coalition in some role. The question is whether the other right wing parties, and which of them if any, will serve under him as Prime Minister.

For people here the interesting question is how much of Net Zero will survive that process? We shall see, but most likely not much. This is an earthquake. Next, watch AfD in Germany. And in 18 months watch Reform in the UK. Everyone in the UK laughs at Reform now.

But two months ago they were laughing at Wilders in Holland. Not any more.

Editor
Reply to  michel
November 22, 2023 3:24 pm

Just a few Tory and/or Labour defections to Reform (preferably ‘and’) would totally transform Britain’s next general election. Can Reform pick up the Red Wall that the Tories under Boris and then Rishi Sunak have so miserably deserted? Let’s hope so.

Editor
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 22, 2023 3:28 pm

BTW, I just edited that comment (on Android phone), adding the Boris and Sunak bit, so the Edit function seems ti be alive and well for original comments.
And this sentence is an edit too, so maybe edits work on some devices not others???

AndyHce
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 22, 2023 3:53 pm

No sign of an edit button on my Windows computer.
Has there been any official acknowledgement of the complaints against the removal of edit?

sturmudgeon
Reply to  AndyHce
November 22, 2023 8:42 pm

None on mine, either. btw, not everyone has (or wants) a cellphone.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  sturmudgeon
November 23, 2023 11:40 am

Yep… It’s amazing how many people assume that everybody in the whole wide world has one, and how many websites require one to perform certain built in functions. Of course the selection of flip phones is dwindling down to practically nothing along with their reliability and availability.

Richard Page
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 22, 2023 4:55 pm

Thats interesting.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
November 22, 2023 4:56 pm

But not for my (older) android phone.

Scissor
Reply to  michel
November 22, 2023 5:01 pm

Wilders should be careful, lest someone hit him over the head with a wine bottle.

Ron Long
November 22, 2023 3:12 pm

Good report by David and Paul, and another Reality Check. I think possibly the biggest “hidden” in the offshore windfarms is the maintenance factor. The towers are so high that almost all servicing and maintenance is by helicopter. Helicopter doesn’t mean an electric powered drone contraption, it means a mid-size with enough power to hold a hover in a strong wind, and enough speed to cut the time factor down. The reality here is that the turbine helicopter engines run on fossil fuels. Forgetaboutit!

cgh
Reply to  Ron Long
November 22, 2023 5:50 pm

Good point. I await the industrial accident rate of offshore windfarm maintenance.

missoulamike
Reply to  cgh
November 22, 2023 11:31 pm

When it’s too windy that type of helicopter use simply won’t happen as they will still be on the ground. (I spent 20+ years working with them including civilian Chinooks).

Janice Moore
November 22, 2023 3:31 pm

The underlying premise of subsidized wind and solar is false. Reducing human CO2 emissions is NOT NEEDED.

Not one piece of data proves the conjecture that human CO2 can do anything to meaningfully shift the climate zones of the earth.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Janice Moore
November 23, 2023 4:52 am

That’s the bottom line.

observa
November 22, 2023 4:51 pm

We told porkies about unreliables being cheap so we’ll hide the horrible costs behind the taxpayers’ balance sheet-
Feds ‘supercharge’ clean energy build to keep lights on (msn.com)
That way we can take away the risk and solve the lack of investor enthusiasm-
The eye-watering payments being made to big batteries to squash huge solar duck | RenewEconomy
That’ll supercharge them and keep the power bills affordable.

rhs
November 22, 2023 5:06 pm

I would put dollars to pesos that a government would save money and ensure the turbines atmre too dense in spacing:
https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2023/nov/10/talks-needed-over-density-of-offshore-windfarms-in-europe-warn-experts

rhs
Reply to  rhs
November 22, 2023 5:12 pm

Doh, waited too long to proof read!
Should have read too dense but I think the reality is, if there is a way to mess it up, leave it up to a bureaucracy to make it worse.

Mr.
November 22, 2023 5:23 pm

It’s long been the ambition of the “global governance” movement to populate the industrial sector with “controllable” industrial corporations.

They’ve already started with ESG reporting, diversity of employment quotas, unionism, remuneration, ohsa compliance, etc etc.

So of course compulsorily-taxpayer-funded wind farms is a logical demand.

They don’t have to work properly, effectively or economically (nothing ‘green’ ever does), but all they have to do is be subservient to global governance orders.

cgh
Reply to  Mr.
November 22, 2023 5:54 pm

“Controllable” industrial corporations has been the object of all socialisms, either national or marxist varieties. Both pursued completely controlled economies where everything had a quota and was centrally planned. Both placed zero value on human life.

Both were bloody, ghastly failures.

ferdberple
November 22, 2023 8:23 pm

This study is only and initial examination of the complex issues surrounding the alleged
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Typo: only and initial sb only an initial

sturmudgeon
Reply to  ferdberple
November 22, 2023 8:47 pm

Then, the ‘deep dive’ into the ‘complex issues’ usually results in More issues.

ferdberple
November 22, 2023 8:42 pm

It should be possible to provide a correction for capacity factor that recognizes that supply and demand is rarely linear.
A CF of 30% would on face values appear to be 1/3 of a CF of 90%, but this fails to recognize that a 90% CF implies planned shutdowns, while a CF of 30% are most certainly unplanned.

ferdberple
November 22, 2023 8:55 pm

How about (capacity factor)^2 as the true value of a non dispatch power sources. Dispatch power sources would not have the power of 2 correction.
So a 100 MW 90% CF nuclear power plant would have a value on 90 MW, but it would take 8100 MW of 33% CF wind power to deliver the same value.
Those correction for non dispatch power would reveal the true cost of wind to be much higher than nameplate values suggest.

michel
Reply to  ferdberple
November 22, 2023 11:56 pm

This must be correct in principle. The capacity factor of 25-30% that is usually quoted for wind is the amount of power generated as a percentage of the faceplate value, this last being the max that could be generated in perfect continuous wind conditions.

But, as you say, there is no guarantee that the 30% is being all or mostly generated in a pattern which matches demand, and a lot of the time it is not. One obvious evidence is the existence of constraint payments which is overproduction, absent demand. Another is the fairly frequent calms, underproduction during demand. Its similar to the fallacy of the LCOE calculations.

Someone here has generated charts quantifying this, I have forgotten the name and didn’t note the link. Think it was ‘it doesnot add up’ or similar. If you wanted to do your own study there is downloadable data in csv form for the UK here:

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
https://www.bmreports.com/bmrs/?q=generation/fueltype

Your estimate is probably too high, though. If you get 90MW out of 8100MW of wind, that being the amount of generation which coincides with demand, you are getting a real capacity factor of only 1%. Seems low, intuitively and glancing at the graphs here:

http://www.gridwatch.co.uk/wind

Its a lot lower than 30% but probably not that low. Also with technologies which supply continuous power, they too have periods when they are producing more than demand, so the 90% number is also an over estimate.

The real practical problem is the periodic calms, its not the capacity factor. No matter how much you install, you are never going to be able to meet demand during the calms from just wind. In the UK the above link shows that 28GW of wind often has 10s of days in a year when generation is well below 1GW or even 0.5GW, and several weeks a year when its well below 5GW. A capacity factor of 30% is pretty much irrelevant at that point. The system is just not working, and the only thing that will get a country through the calms is gas.

Vincent
November 22, 2023 9:01 pm

A detailed and comprehensice analysis of all the fossil fuels used to mine and transport the materials required to manufacture a renewable device, and the fossil fuels used to transport the device, install it, maintain it throught its lifespan, and eventaully recycle it, whether it’s a wind turbine or solar panel, or BEV, has been greatly lacking.

Whilst I have no concern about any harmful effects of CO2 emissions (except in a closed environment where lots of people are breathing out CO2), I can see a benefit in governments motivating industries to create more efficient and environmentally cleaner methods of creating energy, or at least equally efficient and clean methods compared with the fossil fuel plants which employ state-of-the-art emission controls.

Our prosperity and security is dependent upon the ‘true’ cost of energy, and also the ways in which we use that energy. A country that has cheap energy but uses that energy inefficiently (building houses in flood plains, or fighting wars), will not be as prosperous and safe as a country that uses its more expensive energy more efficiently and sensibly.

Another issue which is difficult to put a cost on, is the environmental damage of the real pollutants emitted during the whole chain of production of energy from both fossil fuels and renewable devices, including the cost of human health problems in coal mines, oil spills, mining Lithium and rare earth metals, and so on.

Consider an example of a BEV compared with an equivalent-sized ICE vehicle. The initial, significantly higher cost of the BEV, including government subsidies and higher insurance rates, would suggest that the BEV, before it’s even driven, has already consumed perhaps more than twice the amount of fossil fuels which would be used to produce an equivalent ICE vehicle.

However, if it’s true that BEVs cost less to run and maintain, which I believe is true according to the evidence I’ve seen, then the important question is, how many kilometres does one have to drive before the ‘lower running costs’ offset the initial higher price, and will the battery in the BEV last long enough for the full offset to occur? If it does, then we can justifiably claim that a BEV can be a better choice because it is cleaner for the environment in conjested cities where ICE emissions can contribute to health problems, and the horrible noise of ICE vehicles can also be a problem.

However, calculating the cost of those health problems is very challenging.

Of course, there are some major disadvantages of BEVs, especially for people who frequently drive long distances, and/or cannot recharge overnight at home. Perhaps the biggest disadvantage of all, is the risk of spontaneous combustion. Whilst ICE vehicles, overall, have a far greater risk of combustion due to accidents, the severity of a BEV fire and the risk of spontaneous combustion, is a problem that has to be addressed.

Nevertheless, the risk of any BEV fire occurring is far less than the risk of an ICE fire, at least according to the following site.

“Our research found there’s a 0.0012% chance your passenger electric vehicle battery will catch fire, which is a much smaller risk than we expected to find. Reliable sources regarding global internal combustion engine vehicle fires are difficult to verify, but overall many sources quote a 0.1% chance of your petrol or diesel car igniting.”

https://www.evfiresafe.com/post/how-common-are-ev-fires#:~:text=Our%20research%20found%20there's%20a,than%20we%20expected%20to%20find

If anyone can link reliable and detailed research that debunks these figure, I’d be grateful. Please don’t refute my arguments with nonsensical ad hominem attacks.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Vincent
November 22, 2023 10:28 pm

How many of those ICE fires occurred spontaneously while the vehicle was parked and not running?

Does that total include arson and insurance fraud?

observa
Reply to  Vincent
November 22, 2023 11:23 pm

However, if it’s true that BEVs cost less to run and maintain, which I believe is true according to the evidence I’ve seen

The elephant in the room now BEVs are freely available and no more FOMO is their depreciation compared with ICEs so that’s changed the equation significantly-
Why Do Electric Vehicles Depreciate So Much? (A 2023 Guide) – Finding EV

missoulamike
Reply to  observa
November 22, 2023 11:45 pm

Guy in the piece neglected to mention road wear from heavier EVs or that tires wear out faster and implies that not enough chargers is a misconception, lol. Though compared to most of the EV propaganda the dreaded “misinformation” was relatively limited. Low bar to be sure.

Vincent
Reply to  observa
November 23, 2023 2:06 am

“The elephant in the room now BEVs are freely available and no more FOMO is their depreciation compared with ICEs so that’s changed the equation significantly-“

Why Do Electric Vehicles Depreciate So Much? (A 2023 Guide) – Finding EV 

I read your linked article and found both positive and negative statements about the benefits of BEVs. I’ll ‘cherry-pick’ the positive statements because I suspect you have already cherry-picked the negative statements which support your ‘denialist’ opinions. (wink)

Here’s the list of positive statements in your linked article.

(1) In 2021, the average range of non-Tesla EVs was 225 miles; nevertheless, it was only 75 miles (200 percent less) a decade ago. Moreover, upcoming unique features such as self-healing algorithms will make newer EVs even more attractive at the expense of depreciating older models.

(2) Conventional cars rule the world of the vehicle; however, a big reason for this is some myths that make buyers hesitant to put their hands on EVs. 

(3) Some popular but false perceptions about electric cars include the lack of range for the daily commute, insufficient charging points, and the availability of sedans only. Furthermore, it is also thought that there is no betterment for the environment if people shift to EVs – charging them will require governments to burn oil to make enough electricity. Juxtapose it with the cost, and people move away from EVs.

(4) Just as in the case of conventional vehicles, maintaining an EV may assure its resale value. However, since no oil and spark plugs are involved, electric vehicles are cheaper to maintain than combustible engine cars. Therefore, EV owners need to take the maximum benefits out of this advantage to glue together some extra payback when selling.

(5) A task as simple as keeping the EV software updated can enhance its market value.

(6) Some simple habits like avoiding fast charging and minimizing heat exposure can contribute a lot to EV battery life.

(7) Tesla has the best resale value. Its Model 3 is known to lose only 10 percent of its value at the end of the first five years. 

(8) Afraid of losing money on your electric vehicle? Do not worry – experts conclude that EVs will be much more popular and advanced in the foreseeable future, making them far more valuable in the resale markets than they are now.

There are both positive and negative aspects of many situations. If one is unbiased, one should always consider both.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Vincent
November 23, 2023 12:43 am

will the battery in the BEV last long enough for the full offset to occur?”

Irrelevant. Long before any “offset” kicks in the battery capacity will have depleted to the point where range and length of time between charges is compromised and they become far more expensive to run than when they were new.

Vincent
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
November 23, 2023 4:52 am

Here’s an article which addresses EV battery life.

“Nissan, for example, has been selling electric cars for 12 years, and executive Nic Thomas claims that almost all EV batteries they’ve manufactured during that time are still in use. Likewise, Tesla reports its vehicles to have an average lifespan of around 200,000 miles in the US and 150,000 miles in the EU.

This is quite a bit more than the average life expectancy of a car, which is only 12 years. In other words, EV batteries are predicted to outlast the vehicle they’re in. And to add extra peace of mind, almost all EV manufacturers offer around 8-10 years warranty for their battery pack, ensuring a battery will be replaced for free if it fails prematurely. “

https://blog.evbox.com/ev-battery
longevity#:~:text=Nissan%2C%20for%20example%2C%20has%20been,150%2C000%20miles%20in%20the%20EU

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Vincent
November 23, 2023 5:58 am

Just wondering why the average lifespan is 50,000 miles less in Europe than in US. Any reasons given?

Vincent
Reply to  Dave Andrews
November 23, 2023 6:34 am

The article doesn’t provide any reasons for this, but I’d guess that the reason is that Tesla BEVs represent a greater proportion of all the BEVs in the US, and Tesla BEVs seem to be the best of the many brands of BEVs available.

I think Europe imports lots of Chinese BEVs.

“Europe forecast to import 800,000 Chinese-built cars by 2025”
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/chinese-electric-car-exports-europe-soar

Vincent
Reply to  Vincent
November 23, 2023 6:45 am

However, the wording in the article states that it’s Tesla that is stating that its own BEVs have a lower lifespan in Europe, so maybe the reason is that Europe buys more of the cheaper Tesla models, or maybe the wording in the article is just mixed up.

DavsS
Reply to  Vincent
November 23, 2023 9:50 am

If you are going to properly assess ‘risk’, three elements must be considered: hazard, likelihood and consequence. It isn’t sufficient to simply cite probabilities, they are only part of the equation. Insurance companies will have a pretty good idea of the financial outcome of fires in ICE vehicles vs BEVs, the financial outcome being a surrogate for severity of consequence. That’s the kind of analysis needed to compare risk in its proper sense.

Vincent
Reply to  DavsS
November 23, 2023 9:31 pm

I’m certainly not denying that BEVs present a different fire risk than the risk from ICE vehicles. Whilst the evidence suggests that ICE vehicle fires occur much more frequently, per equal number of vehicles compared, I accept that the BEV fires are potentially much more devastating.

Assessing the total damage and loss of life when comparing more frequent, but less damaging ICE fires, with far less frequent but more damaging BEV fires, is challenging.

There is also the effect of the spontaneous combustion of BEVs on the house, when the BEV is parked in a garage attached to the house. This could affect the house insurance costs, but I’m not aware of any Insurance company that has increased the home insurance because the owner has a BEV in the garage.

The following article addresses the problem in Australia.

“While I think it is safe to say that lithium-ion batteries have the potential to be a fire hazard, it’s too early to understand the significance this will have on premiums for property owners. 

“In speaking with our dealer network, this is not a current consideration for consumers considering an EV purchase.”

“The motor industry has a vested interest in ensuring consumer confidence in the stability of EV products, and with the substantial advancements in battery technology, this (risk of fire) could become a moot point,” Mr Chadwick said.”

https://premium.goauto.com.au/insurers-still-assessing-ev-fire-risks/

observa
November 22, 2023 11:29 pm

Cry me a river subsidy miners-
Victorian government told emissions targets at risk under plan to increase taxes on renewable energy providers (msn.com)
Never get in bed with taxeaters and Victoristan’s debt is greater than NSW Queensland and Tasmania combined. LOL.

UK-Weather Lass
November 23, 2023 2:47 am

When you are serious about something you do it properly dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s. When you are being paid fabulous amounts of money by the same apparent braindead experts who composed the Covid Get Rich Quick Song for Our Deep Pharma Friends and Bill then you make sure you are paid up front and then walk away from the damage the zombies insisted should be done. These people know who the real fools are.

Solar and Wind were never serious electricity generation sources from the start and even with wonderful (to be discovered) explosion free batteries they will never compete with hydro or tidal technology as mains generators. Indeed the discovery of reliable, affordable and explosion and risk free batteries will reduce flaws in running grids and will help to raise efficiency in all generation regimes.

How much money have western economies thrown away in the 21st Century already chasing things that were never there to be caught? Weather and illness happens and sometimes they spell trouble, perhaps really serious trouble. Humans don’t have to make these events worse by unfit for purpose activity. We should have learned from the COVID-19 fiasco but seemingly the history is already being whitewashed away and the answerable are not answering questions at all.

In the meantime who is smiling inscrutably?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  UK-Weather Lass
November 23, 2023 5:07 am

“In the meantime who is smiling inscrutably?”

Xi says, It’s like taking candy from a baby.

He doesn’t have to destroy the Western world, he just has to sit back and watch it self-destruct from ignorant/greedy political decisions.

But, maybe there’s hope! It seems we are witnessing a little political pushback as more conservatives are being elected in various places. Perhaps it’s a trend.

Trump has extended his lead over Desantis, Haley and Biden.

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