I can’t wait for Francis Menton or Roger Caiazza to weigh in on this.
Statements from Speaker Adams and Majority Leader Powers on Mayor Adams Signing Council Legislation to Make New York City the Largest U.S. City to Require a Zero Emissions Vehicle Fleet into Law
October 23, 2023
New York, NY – Speaker Adrienne Adams and Majority Leader Keith Powers, the lead sponsor of Introduction 279, which would make New York City the largest municipality in the nation to requires its fleet to consist of zero emission vehicles, released statements celebrating the legislation being signed into law. In addition to requiring the City to only purchase zero emissions light- and medium-duty vehicles after 2025 so that all such vehicles are electric by 2035, the bill would also require all heavy-duty vehicles purchased after 2028 to be zero emissions, and ensure the entire municipal fleet is converted by 2038. This would not only make New York City a national leader, but would exceed the goals of the United Nations Climate Change Conference of the Parties (COP27) in its international agreement. The bill also requires the training of city workers on the repair and maintenance of electric vehicles to preserve existing workers’ jobs.
“New York City continues to set the standard for sustainability by becoming the largest city in the nation to require its fleet to be entirely made up of zero emission vehicles,” said Speaker Adrienne Adams. “The Council is proud to champion legislative efforts to address the environmental and health impacts of vehicle pollution, reduce our carbon footprint, and prepare our workforce for the repair and maintenance of electric vehicles. I thank Majority Leader Keith Powers for his leadership on this critical legislation, my Council colleagues for supporting policies that transition us to a more sustainable future, and Mayor Adams for signing the bill into law.”
“New York City continues to lead the country in creating a greener, more sustainable world,” said Majority Leader Keith Powers. “Today’s signing of Intro. 279 enacts a historic piece of legislation that will drive down our city’s carbon footprint and advance environmental justice. Starting in just two years, our city’s fleet of over 30,000 vehicles will lead the way towards a zero-emissions future. I am proud to have worked with numerous partners to have made today a reality.
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https://council.nyc.gov/press/2023/10/23/2486/
Automaker are having problems selling their EVs so they should probably:
* Cut back production
* Raise prices 50%
* Focus on selling their EV’s to public sector entities, Fed, state and local.
Taxpayers are an unlimited source of income to fund this virtue signaling.
“Automaker are having problems selling their EVs “
Really? Google “What is the biggest selling car in the world for 2023?”
Fake news.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/
Not fake news
https://thedriven.io/2023/05/26/tesla-model-y-overtakes-corolla-to-be-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023/
Simon’s piece of propaganda was for the first 3 months of the year, not all of 2023 which last time I checked, isn’t even over yet. eck’s piece was published this month.
And while it claimed that Tesla was the best selling car, all the figures given were for other brands of electric cars and for previous years numbers of ICE vehicles.
It really is sad the quality of data Simon will latch onto.
In 2022 total car sales worldwide were just over 67m
According to the IEA 10m of those were EVs with 60% sold in China, 15% in Europe, 8% in US and 17% ROW.
Sales of ICEVs were almost 6 times greater than EVs.
Sales to dealers or sales by dealers? There is a video of fields in China full of BEVs that dealers couldn’t sell.
IEA is untrustworthy for any/all data they release.
How many people will be able to afford one? And the insurance for it? The fact that it’s the biggest selling model- isn’t a response to:
“Automaker are having problems selling their EVs “
There are over a dozen STDs but gonorrhea is in the top 3.
EV’s. Boring as bat guano. Be like driving an ipad..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Honestly I’d fall asleep between the garage and the road..
I get: 1. Ford F-Series (573,370 units sold)
One magazine that nobody has heard of, one reporter, makes a claim and doesn’t bother to back it up, and as far as Simon is concerned, it’s case closed.
I love the way the reporter is so sure that the sales over the first 3 months will not only hold for the whole year, but increase.
simple simon should pause for a moment to consider why Tesla keeps chopping the price of their cars..
If they’re in such huuuge demand, shouldn’t an opposite price-trend be happening?
As there is a ban on selling ICE vehicles in Europe and possibly elsewhere From 2035, UK 2030 then manufacturers won’t be doing a digital switch at midnight 31st December.
They will have finished producing ICE cars for those markets at least 2 years before and just sell unsold stock until the cutoff. The spread costs there will be a model by model switch. Any sensible manufacturer will be selling only BEVs across all models in 5 years time at the latest.
If it were me I’d start at top end prestige where cost isn’t an issue but the latest model is, and small city cars that make a little sense and there are already restrictions on (older) ICE vehicles creating an uptick in demand. In this market replacing a medium sized 10 year old car with a new or nearly BEV means down sizing, possibly retaining the old car for trips in excess of 100 miles.
So yes electric car sales will exceed oetrol/diesel quite soon. But that’s due to legislation not repeat not practicality.
We’re following the Venezuelan model and everyone will have a heat pump and eat bugs.
I suspect that much of the Western automotive industry will simply close down, unable to compete with China. Possibly some of its plants in South America and Africa will survive.
Not so sure things are going to pan out like that. Even in China where 60% of all EVs worldwide were sold in 2022 the manufacturers are having problems this year and and have had to reduce prices to shift stock whilst the Government has had to extend tax breaks to 2027 at a cost of $56.9bn.
In Europe Norway is the EV ‘capital’ with VW saying it will be selling EVs only in the country from 2025. Not the case in other European countries where all manufacturers appear to be having problems selling their EV stocks. It is becoming obvious that the general population are not that willing to go down this road.
Dang! £56.9bn not dollars
Not in the USA,
Not in Australia,
Europe sales by brand.
2023 (Half Year) Europe: Best-Selling Car Manufacturers and Brands – Car Sales Statistics (best-selling-cars.com)
Simon probably didn’t bother to actually read his article, but it was only for the first 3 months of the year.
Possible those cheap, dangerous EVs in China sell a lot of numbers.
Bit don’t forget China has over a billion Chinese in a captive market
Easy Peasy… Ford F-Series trucks. Nothing yet outsells a Ford Truck
Not in the world
https://thedriven.io/2023/05/26/tesla-model-y-overtakes-corolla-to-be-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023/
Simon seems to feel that if an article is reposted enough, it will somehow, magically become relevant.
Read my response to Peta above.
Legislation not practicality is driving the change. Manufacturers of cars need 20 years to replace their entire range. They started the changeover planning as before legislation was passed, so to complete in 5 years for UK and 10 for the EU they will be selling some models as battery only now.
That’s why they got upset when the EU relaxed it’s stance, some competitors hadn’t canned capacity in ICE and had an advantage.
And they will slowly be going bankrupt as sales dry up while used car values soar. Imports of used cars will also increase and businesses producing spare parts will grow. Welcome to Cuba.
Simon repeating the article doesn’t support the numbers of your claim.
Your article: “Model Y is the best-selling car in the world, selling 267,200…”
Versus the rebuttal: “1. Ford F-Series (573,370 units sold), which was for the US ONLY!You’re showing a little too much desperation.
190,000 still doesn’t surmount 570,000 F-series trucks
At last –
a live example & definition of “misinformation / disinformation”.
Thanks Simon.
Looking at the cumulative data up to September 2023, the best-selling car in the World becomes the Tesla Model Y -up 3 spots- with 883,982 units sold (+65.9%).
Second place is in the hands of previous year’s leader the Toyota Corolla, with current YTD sales at 815,035 down 2.0% from the previous year.
https://www.focus2move.com/world-car-market/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20the%20cumulative%20data,2.0%25%20from%20the%20previous%20year.
But what about the public sector carmakers?
Ford again warns on EV results, withdraws 2023 forecast (msn.com)
and we’ll see how much the Cybertruck costs for farmers and tradeys. Of course the brains trust can keep printing helicopter money for subsidies and bailouts but how does that ensuing inflation help struggletown? Sooner or later Central Banks have to weigh in with interest rate floggings.
Big chunky utes outsell the Tesla Y by a proverbial mile.
It just happens there are many varieties of them to choose from.
Toyotas outsell Teslas by a huge margin.
… it is just that there are so many different models to choose from..
“Big chunky utes outsell the Tesla Y by a proverbial mile.”
It comes down to the working man that produces something…
vs the inner city virtue-seeking *ankers (ie the Simons of the world)
When the Western world bans a technology from a certain date it’s not a digital change and will have happened before the cutoff date.
That doesn’t imply a superior technology just legislation.
Simon, do you own an EV? What did it cost? What is your annual income?
Sorry Simon, your quoted figures must be from Bidenflation…
According to Tesla…
How many Model Y did Tesla sell in 2023? Tesla sold 85,000 Model Y in 2023
One constant with Simon, no matter how many times his fake news gets shot down, he will keep trotting it out.
like a certain hockey stick
It doesn’t matter which model sells most, and it doesn’t matter if its an EV. It proves nothing.
The climatist agenda is to replace all generation with wind and solar, and then to replace all cars with EVs, and have everything go on the same. And lower emissions at the same time.
Its not going to happen. What you have to address is the agenda of replacement, in this case of cars. How many will have to be sold, what percent of the market, how much they will cost, how many charging points are needed, when they will be built, the issue of battery fires, insurance availability and cost.
And even if you could do it, it won’t lower national emissions, and it has no chance of lowering global emissions. Like China, for instance, which may increase its EV use dramatically. But it will charge them from electricity generated by coal.
Whether one particular EV sells more or less than the most popular ICE model is irrelevant to all this. Its like saying that a particular Apple model sells more than the next most popular Windows model. Shows nothing.
EVs are fine for some uses. You have a drive so you can keep it away from the house and charge it of household current. Your driving is local, within lets say 50 miles. Be fine for the suburbs and commuting, be fine if you live in an English village near a market or county town.
But people buy cars for much more than that, even if their other uses are occasional, and what you will find when the possible use pattern changes is that people will just not want to spend the money. The extra money in fact, EVs showing no sign of getting cheaper. So they will drive their existing ICE cars into the ground and sales will drop and usage patterns and social and economic life change to match.
An older neighbor asked me to go with him to the local Ford dealer a few months back. He is thinking about replacing his veteran car before the ICE ban comes in. The owner said he can sell all the used cars he can find to people with exactly the same motivation.
The agenda is not going to work, it won’t happen. Particular Tesla model sales are irrelevant. Tesla actually is irrelevant.
Earlier this year I asked the Ducks if EV manufacturers were losing money. The first page came up with –
Even in China, the leading market, EV manufacturers have had to reduce prices to try and shift cars and elsewhere manufacturers are mainly selling to fleet buyers. For the vast majority of the public EVs are too expensive, especially if two, or more, people in the family are dependent on their own transport.
As you say the agenda is not going to work.
China is building hundreds of coal-fired power plants to provide electricity for them.
EV Sales Growth Lags Behind Available Inventory
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ev-sales-growth-lags-behind-available-inventory-301962372.html#:~:text=In%20early%202023%2C%20the%20average,to%206%25%20in%20September%202023.
Haha! “Google” means you want fake results. Don’t forget the algorithm.
Hello Simon,
I hope NY figures out very quickly how to put out fires WITH a Tesla.
It turns out that they will also need to figure out how to put out fires IN a Tesla.
Firetrucks are a far cry from a glorified golf cart.
There are reasons why Tesla service vehicles are gas powered.
Ford is backing off somewhat:
Ford hits the brakes on $12 billion in EV spending because EVs are too expensive
Recently spent a week walking around NYC and absolutely amazed how few EV’s there were on the streets given all of the carry-on.
Battery fires aside, EVs are the perfect vehicle for zipping around town.
Trips to Yellowstone, not so much. The Electric Vehicle industry needs
the solve the fire problem. If they don’t insurance companies will refuse
to cover them and that will be the death their knell. So far two ships have
caught fire (that I know of) and one sank. There are numerous reports
of spontaneous fires.
And definitely NOT for towing any trailer.
EVs also need to resolve the replacement battery cost problem so Insurance Companies can afford to replace them whenever the EV gets anything more than a door ding
Imagine if after a moderate accident you always had to replace the fuel tank.
Ford F150 fuel tanks $99 (Amazon dot Com) to $329 (Car Parts dot Com)
Ford F150 Lightning fuel tank $32,086
Hydrocarbon fuels vehicles need to be taken in for service regularly so that their tanks can be pounded on to make them hold less.
Ouch…such a cutting remark…
But true.
25 years ago my Durango held 22 gallons of fuel and took me over 300 miles on a tank full
Today my Durango holds 22 gallons of fuel and takes me over 300 miles on a tank full
I’m very tankful for hydrocarbon energy
They may be good for some people to zip around town, so long as none of those zips are too long, and as long as you have a place to charge your car while it is parked.
Of course they will also have to be wealthy enough to afford one car for commuting and another car for everything else.
Let’s not forget that when comparing like to like, EVs are also more expensive than ICEVs. Even with all the subsidies they are given.
The only reason why they appear to be cheaper to operate is because EVs don’t pay road taxes. Most states are studying ways to fix that.
I’ve read that the UK are considering £0.26 per kWh for commercial recharging and dedicated home charging will be mandatory can’t think why for the latter.
Assuming 50kwh that adds about £13 per charge. About 5-10p per mile. Almost the same as the 8p per mile I pay in fuel duty and VAT
What an amazing opportunity for Keith and Adrienne to demonstrate their ignorant foolishness! Just keep it up, you two fools!
One can only hope for a change of government before it takes effect.
Time to bail on New York
This along with there renewable energy mandates will make NY uninhabitable
Move to a state with sensible policies New York is doomed sell your property now before the market tanks Texas and Florida are looking good, and never ever vote for the donkey again .
I’ll never vote for an a$$
The inmates are indeed running the asylum!
Municipal fire/rescue vehicles typically weigh 10-35 tons. Municipal buses 20-30. So, the EV fire/rescue vehicles will be able to help save the planet when the buses spontaneously combust.
NYC is already into this madness.
Unless the fire vehicles are otherwise occupied, putting out fires in fire/rescue vehicles.
Burning fire trucks will be part of the circular economy.
I’m suddenly imagining a spontaneous battery fire in an EV-filled fire station.
On another note, these people have no idea the power required to pump 500gpm consistently while pulling in as much from whatever water source you’re using. And what about all that water around those batteries?
Sounds like a phenomenally bad idea.
People just don’t run the numbers if they did they would see how utterly ludicrous this whole EV proposal is. It won’t and can’t work. Therefore our idiotic government will waste a ridiculous amount of tax money trying and will fail. It is just so infuriating.
Hope you don’t have a problem after a major NYC blackout, since all those emergency vehicles may not be charged-up!
Just as in many other places, the charging source will be diesel powered generators. Cost is no consideration.!
Your problem is that you think more than one step ahead. /s
When useful idiots are put in positions with fiduciary responsibilities chaos will ensue. Wait for it.
The waiting is long since over.
I’m living the fiduciary chaos as a member of a RGGI member state.
Ironically, plastic foot covers are big sellers in democrat cities.
This will mean a herculean effort in stringing trolley wires over all New York’s streets used by their new trolleybuses.
Good show, it can be done, and easier than trying to fit the entire fleet with explosive batteries..
Right on! Party like it’s 1899!
EV fire trucks would be equally impractical.
Imagine getting called to a fire and your EV pumper runs out of juice mid fire so you could no longer deliver water above the 3rd story.
Or your EV ladder truck depletes its battery mid fire with the ladder up 40′ and you can’t put it down.
Or you just return from a fire and plug in your engines when the alarm sounds again.
SORRY We can’t help you until we’ve recharged
Or the batteries short because of all that water.
Ban ICEs. Mandate EVs.
Time to invest in buggy whips!
Yes, but we need to use them on our elected officials. A few strokes might straighten them out.🙄
What bothers me most about this article and legislation for New York City are the stated reasons:
“New York City continues to lead the country in creating a greener, more sustainable world,” said Majority Leader Keith Powers. “Today’s signing of Intro. 279 enacts a historic piece of legislation that will drive down our city’s carbon footprint and advance environmental justice. Starting in just two years, our city’s fleet of over 30,000 vehicles will lead the way towards a zero-emissions future. I am proud to have worked with numerous partners to have made today a reality.
How many things are wrong with this paragraph?
I shake my head in disgust at the robust discussion in the previous article about Co2 driving temperatures or temperatures driving Co2 concentrations where commenters include scientific graphs, charts and formulas, arguing over a non existent problem as if it is as important to know the number of angels that dance upon the head of a pin. It is such a waste of time, energy and resources for those who pretend they are trying to fix a non-problem that come with astronomical costs affecting, to the greatest extent, the poorest people whom the so called privileged, woke are trying to help. It is a perverse, dystopian, misdirected society we live in today. How can we turn this Titanic around?
It means that people who reliably vote Democrat, are going to get more money.
It might also mean that reliable donors to democrats are going to get WAAAY MORE MONEY. Never forget the Solyndra Saga, which was at its heart all about buying campaign donations using public funds.
Yep.
Solyndra went bankrupt even after getting a ton of taxpayer cash in a “loan” from Obama. (Solyndra defaulted on the “loan”.)
But the CEOs, who were big Obama donors, didn’t.
Environmental Justice: noun, device for transferring money from poor people to affluent grifters.
So far, aside from one asshole, it makes my day that so many like minded individuals exist.
Evidently, NY must think it is exempt from this reality from Toyota and Elon’s failure:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-just-lost-28-214123188.html
And they must be willfully ignorant of the problems at Seimens:
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/siemens-energy-seeking-billions-euros-state-guarantees-wiwo-2023-10-26/
And Simon, a bonus article just for you:
https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10?amp
Tesla’s days as a profitable buy and hold story stock ended a couple of years ago, but the way its stock price swings is attractive for traders. I was thinking of picking some up here for a trade but idiot Simon’s comments say stay away.
Musk stole Tesla’s name…how does he know that Tesla would approve?
I’m sure he found, somewhere, so guy or gal with the name Tesla, and gave them $50 bucks for the use of their name.
The story may be interesting.
I think this is great news. New York can’t fail fast enough for me. They are cowards they must move to all EV by the end of 2024. Matter of fact all internal combustion vehicles should be sold off by the middle of 2024. I’m tired of them dragging their feet. Come on grow some cahonies and move to all electric.
City cars can be EV’s. Than at the outskirts you can rent a car with an ICE. Problem solved.
I hope you are being sarcastic.
Why would I pay extra for a rental when I can drive my own ICE at a fraction of the cost?
The “problem” only exists if one decides to buy an EV.
Yeah, the rental car market in travel destinations is out of whack right now as in some places daily taxes alone are $30 or more.
I should have been more clear. All vehicles driven by government employees for business or personal use must be EV. The everyday citizen can drive whatever they want unless they are a CAGW whacko then they to must drive av EV.
Unless there is a major political sea change, the continuing costs of failures in NYC and NYS will be subsidized by the rest of the States in the US, because “they were doing the socially correct thing!”.
Not one thin dime for New York City or state.
Gee, I wonder if they intend to transition their police cars to EVs? Considering all of the extra equipment on such vehicles (lights, spotlights, onboard computer, radios, etc) that consumes electricity + NYC’s cold winters (yes, they still have winter there with below freezing temps) that will really drain a battery quick! Worse yet, if the cop chases a suspect, he might not have enough juice to keep up with even a middling ICE car. Of course, sometimes cops will use their cars to block or stop suspect vehicles. Bad idea if said cop car is an EV! Sure, it is heavy and will likely stop the suspect vehicle. But, better call the fire department and clear the area asap once it bursts into flames…. Plus, any EV police car that bursts into flames with a suspect locked inside (or worse, at least from the animal lover’s point of view – a K-9 dog) will make for some pretty bad press.
A cop in fly-over country tells me that the only EVs used by the police are asset forfeitures.
The police will be transitioning to mountain bikes…
And not just bad press, also massive lawsuits.
Not to give miscreants any ideas, but how many times have we seen videos of “protestors” damaging, over turning or even setting fire to a police car?
EVs are harder to turn over at least.
But they do burn a lot longer.
Cue the injury lawsuits by all city workers exposed to fumes from EV fires. We’ll be seeing the “were you a NYC worker exposed to hazardous EV battery fire smoke? Call the law offices of Dewy, Cheatum, and Howe right away!” advertisements as soon as this plan starts.
Make emergencies truck trolleybuses. Then require all buildings to be rebuilt near a trolley line.
https://www.businessinsider.com/auto-executives-coming-clean-evs-arent-working-2023-10
The EV’s cannot survive without massive subsidies.
If every ICEV was banned from the streets of NYC tomorrow, you would see no change in the air quality of the city.
Cars are not the source of the problem, haven’t been since the 70’s and 80’s.
The actual source of that pollution is 10’s of millions of people living and working in too small an area.
Household cleaners, industrial solvents, paint, even bread baking. Those are the sources of the pollution you are seeing.
If the removal of ICEVs was to make a measurable difference, it would be to make the air dirtier, as thanks to all of the modern pollution control equipment that is mandated on those vehicles, they actually end up cleaning the air that they process.
Source?
And don’t forget all the extra particulate from the heavy EVs’ tires wearing away quicker than ICE cars.
So we should build smaller lighter vehicles in general.
Hasn’t that been the goal since the 70s? Thus reducing the size of their engines, but how has that worked out measured by HP?
Buyers but what they want, not what is mandated.
If it’s an electric, it’s always going to be heavier than an equivalent ICEV.
Nice attempt to change the subject, but ultimately, it failed.
Also with a better coefficient of friction. Modern cars are far better aerodynamically than those 50 years ago.
And less prone to rust
and with longer lasting drive lines. How many 1960s engines would do 100,000 miles with just regular maintenance?
and better handling
and…
That should be coefficient of drag, no friction.
Brsin fade 🙁
You are confounding actual “pollution” with CO2 emissions.
The “endangerment finding” not withstanding, they are two very different things.
Is there data that shows that the former is actually causing significant health problems?
Or is the fear based on the discredited NLT (Linear No Low Threshold) extrapolation of actual data?
(If there really is a problem, your explanation for the cause is obviously correct.)
I am talking about actual pollution. Please re-read what I wrote.
My apologies.
The context of this tread was the banning of ICE vehicles in favor of EVs. Most of the world has been mislead by their conflating CO2 with actual pollution.
But read my last sentence where I note if there really is an actual health problem from particulate matter and toxic gases your explanation is correct.
“10’s of millions of people living and working” in NYC?
When I was a fleet mechanic, I couldn’t wait to be retrained and become a forklift driver moving 4000 lb battery packs around the shop.
Every major environmental catastrophe of the last quarter century was the result of a government policy. EVs will be no different, and the cost to US taxpayers is measured in tens of $Billions.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/10/true_costs_of_evs_revealed_by_bombshell_report_out_of_a_texas_think_tank.html
“Every major environmental catastrophe of the last quarter century was the result of a government policy.”
How so? Because regulations weren’t strict enough?
So you are one of those people who actually believe that the solution to all problems is more government?
No it was because the government and it’s political employees are really very dumb and don’t know any physics or mathematics and don’t spend the time to logically think any proposal through to the end.
Exactly. The list of government regulation-fueled catastrophes is not only long, it is ongoing.
Simon implying that Tesla’s are the best-selling car in the world actually means something is akin to believing that because an alleged consensus of “climate scientists” agree that nominal warming of the planetary temperature is caused by mankind it must therefore be true.
Not everything popular is sensible. Fentanyl seems also to be popular.
Here you are NY, a dose of realism from across the pond:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogqVE6VFFtI
You’re welcome..
From the NYT sometime in 2040: unfortunately the fire could not be controlled anymore because the batteries driving the water hoses were empty. Our condolences for the relatives of those who perished through this totally unforeseen circumstance.
Aren’t you in awe of the idiocy on display? What produces a fire other than copious quantities of greenhouse gasses, but we insist that the equipment to fight it runs on batteries.
Hey look on the positive side, re. this latest NY decision.
We have been asking for a working example of how the ‘Green’ energy policies could be demonstrated to the world in a meaningful way.
NY is very much a world sized city, so there we have a prime candidate and NY is also blessed with some of the most left/woke political advocates out there.
Now, if the policy is met, we and the ‘alarmists’ will all be able to see the impact. Instead of us realists constantly arguing with public sector decision makers, about science and engineering issues, surrounding their much trumpeted transition to a so called ‘Green’ world, we can now look eagerly to NY to be our platform of persuasion.
One of the certainties of the NY ‘dash for crash’ policy, is those with the cash needed to pay for it will be leaving.
This coming period of public policies being rolled out by AOC and others will be like the left wing destruction of Detroit but on a much bigger and faster scale.
Get your popcorn and beer in ready. Thinking of which, the light went on at Bud (pun intended) regarding what happens when woke take over policy control. Maybe a lesson will be leaned by the Left this time (unlikely) after they have destroyed the stability of a whole city, not just a world scale drinks business.
We live in interesting times.
I gave these links in the wind pricing thread, and also with a story tip submission. Here are two recent, detailed, specific pieces from Real Clear Energy on the approaching EV disaster:
https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2023/10/24/mega-jolt_the_costs_and_logistics_of_plugging_in_evs_are_about_to_become_supercharged_987493.html#%2F%2Ffind%2Fnearest%3Fcountry=US
https://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2023/10/25/the_political_risks_of_mandating_evs_for_everyone_988506.html
Essential reading. Especially for Simon. Its not going to happen, what you want. Wanting is not going to make it. What is going to happen is a very different story.
Thanks for those links. I skimmed both articles. Let’s hope the stark reality of it all becomes clearer to more folks very quickly.
“Sorry. We cannot pick up the trash until the wind picks up again and we can charge the trucks.”
The crash test dummies never saw what was coming.
A lot of New Yorkers will need better walking shoes, or maybe their back-to-the-1980s rollerblades and diddly boppers.
By 2025 NYC will be buying nothing, no money, no one left to pay taxes to keep housing the migrants in 5 star hotels and to keep paying into the public workers bottomless pensions.
Former 5 star hotels.
A “zero emission future” Today, roughly 70% of all new gasoline vehicles are EPA certified at lower pollution (NOx and PM) than EVs (GREET). I recently quantified the government ZEV policy error – they assume all brand-new vehicles are immediately emitting at their highest end-of-life emission rates. Using a different logic – i.e., reality, I find California needs over 6 million new EVs BEFORE any clean air benefit occurs. This perspective has been missed in all prior EV analysis. A similar situation applies to HD EVs vs Diesels.
Do EVs reduce NOx or PM emissions more than combustion engine vehicles? The answer may surprise you. – Stillwater Associates
So they’ll be renting the vehicles that do the real work.
Those NYC politicians who have jumped aboard the EV bandwagon know full well that the ultimate objective is to eliminate personal transportation for most people who now own their own cars.
In a Net Zero world, few of us will be driving to Home Depot to buy ourselves a new drill or a new crosscut saw. Or to McDonalds to buy a Big Mac. Or to Macy’s to buy a new dress. Or to buy almost anything else, including groceries.
Rather, in that fully Net Zero world, almost everyone will order what they want on-line and a delivery truck will come through their neighborhood twice a day to drop off whatever it was that was ordered. Or just three times a week if you live in the Middle of Nowhere, USA.
For all practical purposes, it will be 1912 again: ‘The Wells Fargo Wagon’ from The Music Man.
I wonder where they will get the electricity to charge them – diesel generators probably – and how well they will perform in NY’s tropical Winters.
These busses are not zero-emission vehicles. They are Emission Elsewhere Vehicles. The power comes from coal and natural gas power plants.
Are NYC’s mechanics trained to maintain these new busses? That’s a big problem with other operators. These new busses become high-tech bricks when parts are not available and mechanics don’t have a clue on how to fix them.
If NYC actually goes through with this, they will be really hurting during the next big snowstorm. Battery-powered cars are much less efficient in cold weather, so if “heavy-duty vehicles” are all electric, the electric snowplows will discharge rapidly and won’t be able to clear the streets.
Once Wall Street has to take a snow day, HIzzoner will be begging the governor of New Jersey to send hundreds of diesel-powered snowplows through the Holland or Lincoln tunnels or over the George Washington Bridge.
It will be very difficult for NYC in 2028 to buy only heavy duty EV trucks for stuff like snowplows and garbage removal, as they don’t exist. And likely never will.
Contemplate now the liberal sensibility of paying plow and garbage truck drivers for long hours spent waiting for batteries to be recharged.
I really can’t decide if these policies are ignorance or Cloward-Piven accelerationist revolutionary acts. They take you to the same place, starving in the cold and dark.
Where are the overhead wires in the picture? I don’t see any.
Ford has just cut back EV investment after losing $36,000 on every EV sold in the 3rd quarter of this year. So jurisdictions should be shying away from any mandates like New York’s instead of forcing consumers into buying vehicles that they don’t want enough of in the first place. However, I think enough buyer resistance could translate into loss of votes to the point where states, provinces, and entire countries will back off from such moves. In democracies people shouldn’t have certain rules and requirements jammed down their throats just to support unproven theories like combating man-made climate change.
Ford’s stock was off handily today…12.25% decline. They are a mess.