German climate skeptic and political activist Naomi Seibt

Mann Tweets Study Claiming Climate Deniers Are Misogynist Authoritarians

h/t Dr. Willie Soon; Mann beclowning himself promoting absurd studies – but I guess that is nothing new.

The study abstract;

Misogyny, authoritarianism, and climate change

Nitasha KaulTom Buchanan
First published: 18 May 2023

Abstract

Globally, democratic politics are under attack from Electorally Legitimated Misogynist Authoritarian (ELMA) leaders who successfully use misogyny as a political strategy and present environmental concern in feminine and inferior terms. The ascendancy of such projects raise questions involving socioeconomic structures, political communication, and the psychological underpinnings of people’s attitudes. We offer misogyny, conceptualized in a specific way – not simply as hatred or disgust for women, but as a way of accessing a gendered hierarchy whereby that which is labeled “feminine” is perceived as inferior, devalued, and amenable to be attacked – as a relevant transmission mechanism in how ELMAs like Trump may connect with public opinion by systematically investigating the interplay between misogyny, authoritarianism, and climate change in the context of the United States. Using a survey methodology (N = 314) and up-to-date questionnaires, we provide a concrete empirical underpinning for recent analytical and theoretical work on the complexity of misogyny. We analyze how misogynist and authoritarian attitudes correlate with climate change, adding to the literature on opposition to climate change policy. An additional exploratory aspect of our study concerning US voter preferences clearly indicates that Trump supporters are more misogynist, more authoritarian, and less concerned with the environment.

And so, it is 100% clear that there is this toxic package or bundle of right-wing ideology, nationalism, exceptionalism, racism, sexism, anti-immigrantism, and anti-climate-change that goes with it. That is what drives many of them.

[Katharine Hayhoe, interviewed by Bjork-James & Barla, 2021, p. 389]

Gender is a game-changer, like the Archimedean fulcrum, with the potential to shift economic logics from profit-exploiting systems of injustice to functional praxes of life-affirming care for ecosystems, human others, and planetary co-habitants.

[Glazebrook, 2015, p. 126]

Sustainability is considered to be a ‘feminine’ project.

Climate change is a man-made problem and must have a feminist solution.

[Mary Robinson, in Allen et al., 2019]

Read more: https://spssi.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/asap.12347

The study authors have a problem with climate skeptics “targeting” female leaders like AOC and Greta, arguing the motivation is misogyny.

… The most upfront manifestation of this is the ways in which outspoken female advocates of addressing climate change in substantive ways are targeted. Gelin (2019) referred to the “gender reactionaries to climate-denialism” with reference to the attack on figures such as Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and Greta Thunberg.  …

Read more: same link as above

The study is based on a sample of 400 people, whom after deleting a bunch of answers was whittled down to 314. They claim most of the discarded answers had zero variation on answers – but given the in my opinion poor quality questions, the lack of variation could have been an artefact of the survey rather than a conspiracy to rig the result.

The study authors draw inferences based on their misogyny theory, like blaming Hillary Clinton’s loss in 2016 on sexism amplified by climate denial.

The authors redefine “misogyny” as being something other than hatred and / or disdain for women – crypto misogyny? – which makes you wonder why they tried to shoehorn everything into the label “misogyny”, instead of using a different word. “… We depart from the typical understanding of misogyny as hatred and disgust toward women by men, it is far from straightforward in how it functions as part of psycho-political processes. …“.

My favourite paragraph though is this one;

… In a similar vein, Stanley et al. (2019), in their 5-year cross-lagged analysis of the influence of SDO and RWA on environmentalism conclude that, “the relationship between ideology and environmentalism across time could be explained by a third variable. Specifically, it is possible that something related both to ideological and environmental attitudes could drive changes in each variable independently, hence explaining the apparent causal relations” (p. 7). They invite future research to explore the potentially causal nature of the ideology-environmentalism association. We surmise that misogyny could be that third variable.

Read more: same link as above

If there is such a hidden third variable, why do the authors automatically assume the hidden variable is affecting the judgement of climate skeptics? Why are they so sure they are the objective party?

Because there is a much more obvious candidate for a hidden variable which biases belief in climate change: enthusiastic political support for socialism.

Is it a coincidence that most climate activists (though not all) also seem to have very left wing political views?

Why is climate activism be so attractive to socialists?

A fervent communist who used to be a friend once explained to me it doesn’t matter if climate science is wrong, because restraining capitalism with more regulation is socially desirable, even if the climate science rationale for advancing green restraints on capitalism turns out to be wrong.

I don’t think my former friend was deliberately lying about his climate beliefs, but in my opinion my former friend pretty much admitted he had no incentive to rigorously review the supporting evidence for his climate alarmism.

Left wing biases clouding the judgement of climate alarmists might also explain why most greens reject nuclear energy. Nuclear energy should be the obvious zero carbon compromise – a scalable zero carbon energy solution which the Right would accept.

We have unequivocal proof nuclear is affordable and safe, once you cut the red tape – France decarbonised most of their electricity generation with affordable nuclear power in the 1970s. Yet greens consistently choose endless political conflict instead of accepting a viable nuclear powered path to reducing CO2 emissions. They choose endless energy stalemate instead of embracing a solution to their alleged climate crisis which would leave Capitalism intact.

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Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 2:03 pm

Michael Mann seems like more of an activist these days.

Bryan A
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 2:15 pm

The Mann suffers from a psychosis … Perpetual Psychological Projection

Gunga Din
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 2:47 pm

He’s always been an activist.
Now it’s just becoming clearer just what his “Cause” is.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 3:08 pm

as opposed to those days?

HotScot
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 3:59 pm

The Mann has utterly lost the plot. Or he’s seriously panicking seeing that Europe is now in so much economic trouble that the public is now turning to ‘the-far right’ AKA Conservatives to solve the utter mess the left gets any nation into with their neocon, Globalist ambitions.

The US, far-left, Biden government is in a dreadful state with Ukraine, Israel and it’s desperation to tangle with China over Taiwan. Trump shrugs off court cases like Teflon Tim and RFK Jr. is coming up fast on the rails as an independent.

The European ‘far-right’ Tsunami looks like it will hit US shores right about election campaign time, that’s why the US, far-left, climate mob are sh!tting bricks.

I don’t know if a coalition government is possible in the US, but if it were, and somehow the Democrats pulled another stunt like the 2020 election, could Trump and RFK Jr. form one?

Walter R. Hogle
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 4:07 pm

Exactly HotScot I’ve been saying this for a long time. This summer was an absolute fear porn parade for climate change. From my and our point of view, it’s a cry for desperation. I think people are beginning to realize what’s really going on.

Regarding next year’s election in the United States, I would not rule out any crazy stunts they’ll try to pull. Trump just has to win, because no other Republican candidate has the balls to say what this really is. I’m a little worried that China might try to exploit the situation in Ukraine and now Israel to invade Taiwan. U.S. aid is stretched thin.

HotScot
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 4:31 pm

It’s not just US aid, the entire NATO coalition is backing away from Ukraine because they are going bust and have given the country all the military equipment it can scrounge up.

Israel handed over it’s excess stocks of 155mm artillery rounds and now want’s it back.

Half the military equipment given to Ukraine is now in Gaza and they have a back up of $80Bn worth in Afghanistan thanks to Biden.

I suspect Taiwan is rapidly disappearing in the rear view mirror.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 10:28 pm

Hot Scot with his usual pro-Kremlin loony conspiracy theories.
Nato according to him is going bust – haha in your pro-Putin dreams!

Let’s instead put your little island in there instead of Nato>
ie. UK is going bust, it’s government has always been a lying anti democratic mess and your much admired corrupt racist plods have been turning it into a miserable dystopia.

HotScot
Reply to  pigs_in_space
October 11, 2023 1:47 am

Nato according to him is going bust – haha in your pro-Putin dreams!

That’s not what I said – haha 🙄

I said NATO “countries” are going bust. The US is $33Tn in debt, the UK $3Tn in debt, Germany being de-industrialised, unemployment and inflation across the western world, much of it to do with NetZero.

it’s government has always been a lying anti democratic mess

LOL. Nixon, Clinton (‘I Did Not Have Sexual Relations With That Woman’), Bush (WMD’s), Biden – absolutely everything!

and your much admired corrupt racist plods

Remind me again? Who killed George Floyd?

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
October 11, 2023 8:57 am

Floyd died of a drug over dose, he killed himself.
WMDs were found

ToldYouSo
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2023 9:35 am

And who, any longer, give a flying eff what Michael Mann thinks?

KevinM
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 4:38 pm

Whenever certain public figures say “far right”, I want to measure how long their arms are. Is anything “near right”? Never heard of it.

M14NM
Reply to  KevinM
October 10, 2023 8:14 pm

The msm never use the term far left. Wonder why?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  M14NM
October 11, 2023 5:40 am

The far left MSM consider the far left to be mainstream, not extreme.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 11, 2023 11:48 am

Come on Tom…. you could say exactly the same about the far right thinking Fox was not extreme.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
October 11, 2023 12:04 pm

It really is sad how socialists actually believe that anyone to their right is by definition, far right.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
October 12, 2023 2:52 am

That’s true. I don’t think Fox News is extreme. I think they get closer to the truth than anybody.

KevinM
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 4:34 pm

“these days”? I would say “always”.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 8:00 pm

Speaking of Mann, I just found out today that he transferred his flag in 2022 from Penn State to U Penn. Clearly, the latter school is taking a run at Ivy League supremacy with major investments in Climate Alarmism, Women’s Swimming and, of course, the Penn Biden Center.

niceguy12345
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 8:38 pm

Is he an Unelected Legitimated Misogynist Authoritarian?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 9:07 pm

It’s funny. the ones they’re calling “authoritarian” aren’t the ones trying to censor ALL contrary speech. They also aren’t the ones who can’t define what a woman is.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 11, 2023 2:44 pm

Why are misogynists people who hate only women but a misanthropist hates everybody? Isn’t that sexist?

J Boles
October 10, 2023 2:15 pm

Why are climate activists not happy? The world has spend trillions of dollars on ruinables yet it is showing not to work well. I suppose they think that we need to spend much more on it to make it work right, we are so close to a tipping point whereby it will do the job? What will convince them?

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  J Boles
October 10, 2023 2:47 pm

They aren’t happy because AGW skeptics exist.

Rod Evans
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
October 11, 2023 1:06 am

The collective name for AGW sceptics they hate so much is , ‘scientists’

Gregory Woods
Reply to  J Boles
October 10, 2023 3:11 pm

Nothing will convince them, not even Reality. Communism would work except for the right people.

kwinterkorn
Reply to  J Boles
October 10, 2023 3:52 pm

Notice that they actually fail to show unhappiness toward the largest CO2-emitting, coal-fired plant builder on Earth—-do I need to actually say China?

Couple that with their obvious refusal to Save the Earth by converting to nuclear…..and the case is made:

They hate modern industrial free market societies. Period.

Coming Ice Age. Nuclear Winter. Acid Rain. Ozone Depletion. Global Warming. All the same to them.

Just paradigms and tools to trash our modern prosperity—-because prosperity frees us from them.

They are power greedy. Sick with power greediness.

MarkW
Reply to  J Boles
October 10, 2023 4:02 pm

Why are they so sure they are the objective party?

Leftists in general, find it impossible to believe that they can ever be wrong.
Therefore they must be the objective ones, and everyone else is evil.

gyan1
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2023 3:31 pm

Self righteous ignorance defines them!

MarkW
Reply to  J Boles
October 10, 2023 4:07 pm

They aren’t happy because their true goal not only hasn’t been achieved but seems to be getting further away.
What they are after is a lifestyle of leisure without a care in the world. They believe that if it wasn’t for a broken system, capitalism, they would have already been granted everything they believe themselves entitled to.

That’s why the first solution to any problem, is to tear down capitalism, so that they can proceed to perfect the world.

Bryan A
October 10, 2023 2:21 pm

Not sure Misogyny would apply. If describing AOC it would be more likely Misandry.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Bryan A
October 10, 2023 2:50 pm

Well, she is a girl and she did used to go by “Sandy”….

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2023 5:45 am

AOC gets criticized for her stupid thought processes, not because she is a woman.

Drake
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 14, 2023 5:23 am

https://wibc.com/123208/aoc-says-her-critics-are-sexually-frustrated-want-to-date-her/

Its just that all those terrible men just want to date her, LOL.

Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 2:23 pm

The top pic proclaims Naomi Seibt to be the antidote to Greta Thunberg. But she has hardly been mentioned at WUWT in the last three years, while there has been plenty of talk about Greta.

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 2:27 pm

Wasn’t she silenced ?

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 10, 2023 2:42 pm

At WUWT?

KevinM
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 5:09 pm

WUWT does not seem to silence people. Credit the host wit trueness to free expression. Clicking “-” was also free.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 6:07 pm

We prefer to let fools like you talk, Nick

Your comments are truly laughable. !

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 11, 2023 1:04 am

No, in Germany

CampsieFellow
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 11, 2023 3:35 am

WUWT can only report what other people say. If social media put a ban on you it does rather limit your ability to let people know what you are saying.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 10, 2023 4:31 pm

Wasn’t she silenced ?

In the sense that anyone who could see straight through the obviously scripted rhetoric and decided just to ignore her (apart from some silly places like here), yes. She silenced herself.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Your child-girl Greta.. a tantrum-based anti-science harridan.

No wonder you feel akin to her.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
October 10, 2023 5:22 pm

Yeah, she was a bit teenager-ish (weren’t we all?) But like I said, you knew (yes, even you) that when she spoke she meant what she said and was real, whether right or wrong.

It was plain to see that ‘Naomi’ was more or less just a ‘bot’. Scripted words and formatting. Just bizarre.

doonman
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:34 pm

What is bizarre is publicly claiming that you can see CO2. Nothing else comes close.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:10 pm

And you really think Greta wasn’t scripted by her minders. ?

That is truly bizarre and hilarious.

You probably think she was an intellectual giant..

.. hummm.. , compared to you, she was.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:48 pm

To most on the left, believing the lies you repeat, is so much more important that something as trivial as being right or wrong.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 5:49 am

“It was plain to see that ‘Naomi’ was more or less just a ‘bot’. Scripted words and formatting. Just bizarre.”

I think you are seeing what you want to see.

Drake
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 14, 2023 5:27 am

Wow, just wow.

Greta reading off the script given to her by her leftist brainwashing parents.

This girl using logic and reason without a script.

Projection is all you have TFN. Typical liberal.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:19 pm

She was extremely ill. And yes, her internet presence was largely cancelled at the behest of the German authorities.

“Naomi almost died of her chronic bowel disease last year. She only weighed 28 kilos and had almost no one who stood by her side. Nevertheless: With the help of a capable doctor, she fought back.”

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:47 pm

TFN, thank you for so ably demonstrating the inherent misogyny of so many on the left.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 3:56 am

YouTube shut down her channel- according to Wikipedia. After all, climate heretics are verboten to preach that the world isn’t boiling.

CampsieFellow
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 11, 2023 3:33 am

According to the Wikipedia article on Naomi Seibt, “In May 2021 a tweet by YouTube
confirmed its final ban on her channel on April 30, 2021, for violating the YouTube Community Guidelines on Misinformation and Harassment.”
So that’s probably why we haven’t heard from her in the last few years.
YouTube confirms that you can say what you like about climate realists (eg. misogynist authoritarians suffering from deep psycholgical problems) but you better not say anything critical of climate alarmists.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 11, 2023 3:54 am

Wikipedia’s article on her makes it seem as if she’s practically a Nazi- who worked for a while for that practically Nazi group, The Heartland Institute and that in ’21, YouTube blocked her channel. It’s obvious the climatistas pulled no punches in trying to destroy her.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 11, 2023 5:56 am

If the climate alarmists didn’t have personal attacks, they wouldn’t have anything at all. Attacking the person of their political opponents is standard procedure for climate alarmists/radical leftists.

This whole article is just another unwarranted personal attack on skeptics in general.

This is all they have.

Water off a duck’s back.

Walter R. Hogle
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 2:28 pm

Nicks comment suggests he has no constructive criticism of the post or it’s main point.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 2:36 pm

It’s not that often that he does.

MarkW
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 10, 2023 4:09 pm

The few times he made constructive comments, was years ago. Lately he’s been concentrating on trying to generate as much distraction as he can.

MarkW
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 10, 2023 4:08 pm

Nick’s paycheck depends on the amount of confusion and distraction he generates.

HotScot
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2023 4:34 pm

Nick’s so confused he must be earning a fortune.

Bryan A
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 7:48 pm

Considering the context of most of his posts, he likely isn’t paid by the word but rather by the post

bnice2000
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2023 10:08 pm

Iirc correctly, Nick is retired, and the only friends he has left are at the climate-scam unit of CSIRO.

He can’t say anything truthful about climate, wind energy or the like, because he would lose what friends he has left, and with his ongoing fight with dementia he needs those friends

PCman999
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 3:04 pm

Fail to see the connection between your 2 sentences – Naumi can’t be the antidote to Greta if she is new? So the antivenom has to preexist the snake?

HotScot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 4:03 pm

Unlike Greta, she’s probably got a job and a boyfriend.

Y’know, like normal young ladies.

Gunga Din
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 4:27 pm

Or at least boys interested.

HotScot
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 4:51 pm

I don’t want to be mean about Greta, but with a face and pigtails like a Cabbage Patch doll, she’s not likely to get too much interest from guys.

AlanJ
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 7:10 pm

Really wonderful job defending against charges of misogyny amongst climate skeptics here, folks.

Nothing like murdering someone in front of the jury to convince them that you’re incapable of violence.

Bryan A
Reply to  AlanJ
October 10, 2023 7:56 pm

But Murd3r isn’t violent. All you’re doing is releasing a pure soul from it’s corrupted body so it can gain God’s wisdom and enlightenment. You’re setting them free from their burdens of their corporeal life

Jim Masterson
Reply to  AlanJ
October 10, 2023 7:56 pm

“Nothing like murdering someone . . . .”

There’s nothing like hyperbole to invalidate your comment. Exactly who said the word: “murder?”

bnice2000
Reply to  AlanJ
October 10, 2023 10:10 pm

Stating the facts is obviously against AlanJ’s morality !

HotScot
Reply to  AlanJ
October 11, 2023 1:49 am

I hate all children.

bnice2000
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 5:08 pm

Greta had people like Nick and Rusty interested, and cheering, and worshipping.

She a bit older now, so they will probably lose interest.

Bryan A
Reply to  bnice2000
October 10, 2023 7:57 pm

Oh I dunno she may be 20 but she has the mind of a 13 year old

bnice2000
Reply to  Bryan A
October 11, 2023 3:11 am

she may be 20 but she has the mind of a 13 year old”

Rusty might still be interested, then !

Like minds.

Mr.
Reply to  bnice2000
October 10, 2023 8:36 pm

Well she can now be charged with fraud as an adult, so the old “but she’s only a child” excuse doesn’t hold up any more?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 4:26 pm

The top pic proclaims Naomi Seibt to be the antidote to Greta Thunberg. But she has hardly been mentioned at WUWT in the last three years…

Yes, she was positioned as a kind of poster-girl response to Thunberg here for a while.

She didn’t exactly catch on, did she? Not just here. Anywhere. The project fell flat on its face due to its obvious inauthenticity. Is she even real?

Thunberg, like her or not, comes across as authentic. People can tell.

HotScot
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:00 pm

You’re not only an ignorant, uninformed cnut, your a nasty Bs’tard as well.

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Gunga Din
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 5:11 pm

Thanks, HotScot.
I had no idea. I’ll be praying for her.
(Maybe FinalNail didn’t know either?)

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 5:25 pm

No, I didn’t, and I hope she recovers.

Gunga Din
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 10:45 am

I believe you when you say didn’t know.

HotScot
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 5:26 pm

Maybe it’ll teach him a lesson, not likely though as he never learns anything..

TheFinalNail
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 5:29 pm

I am very sorry to hear that this girl is unwell. I mean that. I didn’t know; so there’s no point in being abusive. It’s not mentioned at all in the main post and I’m not psychic. I wish her a speedy recovery.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:12 pm

Abuse, is what they did to a mentally-challenge high-school truent/drop-out, named Greta.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:41 pm

I’m not psychic

No, just psychotic.

As most climate catastrophists are.

Gunga Din
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:09 pm

An “authentic” what? Idiot? “Dropout”? Child manipulated by activist parents?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 5:34 pm

Most of the world seemed to find her authentic. I did. Not to say that she was ‘knowledgeable’; but authentic, certainly. You can be completely wrong about something and still be authentic in your beliefs, right?

Jim Masterson
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:47 pm

“You can be completely wrong about something and still be authentic in your beliefs, right?”

It’s not a problem unless you being authentic is going to send us back to the Dark Ages.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Jim Masterson
October 10, 2023 6:08 pm

But that’s not the point, with respect. Thunberg came across to people as authentic; Naomi did not, to me at least. It has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of it. One of those girls looked and sounded authentic, the other looked ‘scripted’. And maybe she wasn’t, but that’s how it came across to me. I mean her no ill will. If she is unwell then I hope she recovers fully.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:44 pm

One of those girls looked and sounded authentic autistic.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:55 pm

She was authentic, to those who agreed with what she was screeching.

As to your belief that being authentic is more important than being correct, that comes with your territory.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:56 pm

Trying to rehabilitate the climate crier?

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:13 pm

seemed to find her authentic. I did

ROFLMAO..

That just goes to show your complete and utter gullibility !!

pigs_in_space
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 10:50 pm

yea right,- you can be authentic in believing the salem witches were devil possessed, and send them to be hanged or tortured.
Your posts smack more of medieval churchy anti-heretic jesuit than anything to do with modern science.

That makes complete sense.
Both the catholic church and AGW climate “science” were/are nasty cults sustained by pyramid like finance systems.
You are just yet another of their apologist for the cult.

Rod Evans
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 1:20 am

Being an authentic idiot does not gain you any authority for being authentic, it just confirms you are an idiot, as Greta has shown us so clearly this past few years.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:10 pm

Thunberg is probably the least authentic climate activist on the planet.

If Rusty can’t see that it is all just brain-washed ACTING..

… it really is a comment on his total lack of intelligence.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
October 10, 2023 6:10 pm

If I had any intelligence I wouldn’t be wasting it here, bnasty. Told you that already.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:50 pm

You have none to share or to waste.

You are an intellectual non-entity, incapable of self-thought.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:56 pm

You’ve at last said something that is believable. Keep trying, perhaps you will manage to mature.

Drake
Reply to  MarkW
October 14, 2023 5:37 am

You give him much too much credit.

He is giving NO effort to maturing.

He is liberal to his very rotten core.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:53 pm

Like most leftists, you apparently define believability based solely on whether you agree with what is being said.

DavsS
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 4:33 am

No she doesn’t.

bnice2000
Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 5:04 pm

Nick LUVs Greta. !

Like minds .. you know what I mean. !

Reply to  Nick Stokes
October 10, 2023 8:54 pm

That is because she wasn’t needed since Greta is a pile of baloney who is now a criminal who didn’t finish high school is getting wealthy and had her 15 minutes of fame that has long since evaporated.

Krishna Gans
October 10, 2023 2:25 pm

Some words about missogyny

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Krishna Gans
October 10, 2023 2:43 pm

Who Will Save The World

The Mighty Groundhogs

Tom Halla
October 10, 2023 2:40 pm

So disliking fanatic greens is somehow misogyny? While there are some despicable Green women, like Hayhoe, most of the prominent Greens identify as male, like Michael Mann. Is Saint Michael announcing he is coming out as trans?

HotScot
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 10, 2023 4:09 pm

Is it misogyny if you only hate a few women like, Hmmmmmmm, let me think.

Hayhoe?

Or must it be hatred of all women. In which case I’m definitely not a misogynist as I don’t hate my wife and daughters.

Gunga Din
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 4:40 pm

And so, it is 100% clear that there is this toxic package or bundle of right-wing ideology, nationalism, exceptionalism, racism, sexism, anti-immigrantism, and anti-climate-change that goes with it. That is what drives many of them.
[Katharine Hayhoe, interviewed by Bjork-James & Barla, 2021, p. 389]”

I’m a Christian learning and trying to be a more Biblical Christian.
I don’t hate Hayhoe.
But I do hate that, claiming to be an Evangelical Christian, she’s preaching another Gospel.
She’s preaching the gospel of climate rather than the Gospel of Christ. A wolf in sheep’s clothing as far as the Gospel is concerned.
Doesn’t matter if she’s a girl or not.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 11, 2023 6:34 am

Hayhoe is a propagandists.

Like all climate alarmists.

Climate Alarmists don’t have any evidence to back up their claims of climate doom, so they resort to propaganda aimed at shutting up the skeptics.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 11, 2023 4:11 pm

She’s also a victim of the male misogynistic patriarchy:

Katharine Hayhoe Overview

Katharine Hayhoe in 2017 was employed at Texas Tech University and had an annual salary of $131,042 according to public records. This salary was 179 percent higher than the average and 295 percent higher than the median salary in Texas Tech University. — Gov. Salaries website

But: What’s dough (what’s dough) got to do (to do) with it?
(Apologies to Tina Turner’s “What’s Love…”)

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 11, 2023 6:30 am

“While there are some despicable Green women, like Hayhoe,”

Yes.

Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 2:45 pm

The study authors have a problem with climate skeptics “targeting” female leaders like AOC and Greta, arguing the motivation is misogyny.”

No. The “targeting” is due to the stupid things coming out of their mouths.
That congressman who worried about Guam capsizing got the same treatment.
Who’s taking it easy on Brandon and the stupid things he’s said and done?

Rick C
October 10, 2023 2:46 pm

I have a couple more candidates for their “third variable”.

Intelligence
Knowledge
Objectivity

These are common traits of skeptics and conservatives. Not so much in dogmatic religious believers and socialist anti-capitalists. Then again, some of the virulent alarmists are apparently just in it for the money.

PCman999
Reply to  Rick C
October 10, 2023 3:17 pm

Rationality, don’t forget that. If the world was genuinely warming out of control no one here would have a problem jumping on the bandwagon. In fact a lot of the comments get sidetracked by assuming the warming and just discussing the stupidity of the recommended solutions. So in a way, we want to believe and join the popular kids, but they’re crazy-stupid. Most conservative politicos have drunk the kool-aid so there’s nothing inherently left-or-right with “CO2 causing out of control warming”, it is the authoritarian demand for compliance and the mad need to silence any decent that is fully owned by the socialist crowd (of the communist or Nazi stripe)

Tom Abbott
Reply to  PCman999
October 11, 2023 6:41 am

Yeah, I heard former Speaker of the House, McCarthy say yesterday that expanding oil and gas production would actually help reduce CO2 if we use natural gas for electricity generation.

So, it appears McCarthy is a believer in human-caused climate change.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Rick C
October 10, 2023 4:01 pm

Rick C

Objectivity

OK, objectively we are now, in these past few months, living in the warmest extended period ever recorded by instruments. How do ‘conservatives’ deal with that, other than by denying it?

Not so much in dogmatic religious believers and socialist anti-capitalists. 

Most religious folk where I come from would self-describe as ‘conservatives’. So that argument works both ways.

Rick C
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 4:56 pm

If I moved from say Green Bay to Chicago, I would experience a 3 C increase in average annual temperature. About twice the global average temperature increase claimed for the last 170 years. That may scare the heck out of you but it doesn’t concern me in the least. The problem with your climate scare mongering is that the only bad consequences are entirely imaginary.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Rick C
October 10, 2023 5:40 pm

If I moved from say Green Bay to Chicago, I would experience a 3 C increase in average annual temperature. 

Yes, but you’d you’d expect the change.

Climate change means that, on average, temperatures are rising without you making any moves and you and your environment have to cope with the consequences. That may be good or bad. But it’s change. (And it doesn’t scare me, by the way.)

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:42 pm

Do you have any scientific evidence of human causation of the beneficial warming since the LIA?

Or have you finally figured out it is totally natural for the planet to warm out of a Little Ice Age.

Not only totally natural, by highly beneficial…

… especially when accompanied by a rise in atmospheric CO2

Maybe, given time and enough extra warming, trees will once again be able to grow where there are now glaciers.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 6:46 am

“Do you have any scientific evidence of human causation of the beneficial warming since the LIA?”

I can answer that: No, he doesn’t have any evidence of human causation.

He could prove me wrong. But he won’t, because he can’t.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 9:07 am

TFN always retreats back into the mantra that all the people he considers to be scientists, agree.

He completely ignores everyone else, because by his definition, they aren’t scientists.

Of course the vast majority of people who publicly support the AGW scan aren’t scientists but that doesn’t matter, since they support what TFN wants to believe.

EVen actual data doesn’t matter.

Rick C
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:55 pm

No, I wouldn’t give a second’s thought to the temperature or even notice there was a difference. In fact, I had to look up the temperature data to even know there is a difference. As far as my “lived experience” is concerned the climate of the two cities is the same.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:03 pm

In the last 5000 years, the earth has been through 4 similar periods of warming.
About 90% of the last 12,000 years has been warmer than it is today.
The current warming is no faster than the other 4 warm periods.

HotScot
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:12 pm

The world is enjoying an El Niño, check out the little dial on the RH side of this page.

Dumb fokker.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 5:46 pm

Dumb fokker.

You’re just unable to exchange in a courteous way, aren’t you? ‘Ill reared’, as my Ma would have said.

Regarding El Nino: these are as old as the hills. This one is only just starting and so far isn’t nearly as strong as 1998 or 2016. So why are global warm temperature records falling like skittles?

Can you try, at least, not to be abusive in your response, if you have one?

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:20 pm

And after the El Nino spike.

It will cool again.

Just like it has been since the last El Nino.

Hanging your warming on El Ninos, proves that you KNOW there is absolutely ZERO human causation for this slight but highly beneficial warming out of the LIA.

You do know that 1000 years ago, trees grew where now there are glaciers, don’t you.

Must have been much warmer then, wouldn’t you agree 😉

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 7:12 pm

Regarding El Nino: these are as old as the hills”

Finally.. you agree they are TOTALLY NATURAL !

Hence all atmospheric warming in the satellite era is TOTALLY NATURAL.

HotScot
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 1:55 am

Fine for you to be abusive about a kid lying in hospital, but not so fine when it’s turned on you.

Were that my daughter you wouldn’t hear any abuse at all.

Drake
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 14, 2023 5:45 am

And yet, to this day, one half of the all time state record highs for the continental US were recorded in the 1930s.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:13 pm

You still haven’t figured out how trees grew 1000 years ago where there are now glaciers,..

Still waiting for your answer of how much warmer it must have been. 😉

KevinM
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:16 pm

ever recorded by instruments
No time at all if you believe it’s billions of year old.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  KevinM
October 10, 2023 5:47 pm

No, 173 years and counting. Quite a long time, even for tortoises.

KevinM
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:12 pm

Do you think 173 years is enough to characterize a billion year old system?.

KevinM
Reply to  KevinM
October 10, 2023 6:16 pm

e.g. an average iPhone photo is about 2 MB. How well would you guess “what it’s a photo of” given a black rectangle except one possibly bright pixel.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:17 pm

You mean out of the COLDEST period in 10,000 years. ??

You really have got zero understanding of climate changes whatsoever, have you.

Let’s try again….

How much warmer it must have been for trees to have grown 1000 years ago, where now there are glaciers.?

Nansar07
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:05 pm

You must be American, you think 173 years is a long time.

Drake
Reply to  Nansar07
October 14, 2023 5:47 am

That is a liberal thing. The all think history started the day they were born.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:06 pm

So you believe that a few dozen thermometers, mostly in Europe, is sufficient to characterize the temperature of the entire planet to a few hundredths of a degree?

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:02 pm

I love the way you restrict the period over which you want to compare.

It doesn’t matter that the Medieval, Roman, Egyptian and Minoan warm periods were all warmer than then Modern warm period. And all of these warm periods were cooler than the Holocene, all without benefit of added CO2.
So it’s quite clear that your belief that only CO2 could be the cause of the Modern warm period is clearly refuted.

Nobody is denying that the world has been warming up for 250 years, since the bottom of the Little Ice Age. What we are denying is that this warming means what you so desperately want it to mean.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 6:44 am

“OK, objectively we are now, in these past few months, living in the warmest extended period ever recorded by instruments. How do ‘conservatives’ deal with that, other than by denying it?”

It didn’t happen in the United States. The 1930’s are still warmer than today. Is stating facts your idea of denial?

Brian0127
October 10, 2023 2:51 pm

Mann failed The Duck Test when he ignored the most basic of scientific criteria, ie. comparing like with like , and published his infamous hockey stick graph using temperature data with such different provenances with proxy data at one end and satellite data at the other.
Adopting this methodology is telling the world that it is acceptable to sacrifice scientific accuracy for expediency, no-one who cared for science would dream of publishing such nonsense.

PCman999
Reply to  Brian0127
October 10, 2023 3:22 pm

Think of the hubris! They are so sure they are right that they have to twist the evidence to make it fit the narrative. I think deep inside they don’t give a rodent’s behind about CO2 emissions but are brainwashed by the lack of resources/ population bomb misanthropic propaganda.

HotScot
Reply to  Brian0127
October 10, 2023 4:11 pm

Has he provided his data yet? If not that’s a big scientific fail as his theory can never be replicated.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 4:47 pm

Yes, the data were provided in the original paper and backed up at the subsequent enquiries, all of which found no malpractice. You can be very forgetful here at WUWT.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:17 pm

His own cult found no malpractice, even though the evidence is still manifest.

How much warmer must it have been 1000 years ago for trees to grow where now there are glaciers?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
October 10, 2023 5:49 pm

7 enquiries all found the same thing. 7 ‘cults’? This is wearing thin, boys,

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:24 pm

How much warmer must it have been 1000 years ago for trees to grow where now there are glaciers?”

Your running away is hilarious. !

Great headless chook routine you have there.

7 groups from the same cult, you mean. !

You still think merging instrumental data with FAKED much averaged proxy data is science.??

That would indicate a total lack of understanding of any sort of science or mathematics.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:11 pm

7b agencies, that stood to lose their reputations and lots of money, found that their prize grant winner to be innocent.
Surprise, surprise, surprise.

HotScot
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:22 pm

“What happened was that Dr. Ball asserted a truth defense. He argued that the hockey stick was a deliberate fraud, something that could be proved if one had access to the data and calculations, in particular the R2 regression analysis, underlying it. Mann refused to produce these documents. He was ordered to produce them by the court and given a deadline. He still refused to produce them, so the court dismissed his case.” (Powerline, August 24, 2019 – my emphasis)

Why are you always wrong about EVERYTHING!?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  HotScot
October 10, 2023 5:51 pm

Why are you always wrong about EVERYTHING!?

Somebody sites Tim Ball and asks me why I am always wrong, lol.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:27 pm

Tim Ball was found to be correct.

Mann refused discovery and lost his court case.

You have been provable WRONG about basically everything you believe.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 8:56 pm

Mann was publicly called out by Prof. Tim Ball.

And Mann then publicly proved that he was misnamed.

He isn’t a man at all.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:15 pm

In other words, you are unable to answer as to why you are always wrong.
As to Tim Ball, I do note that you have never been able to demonstrate that anything he has written is wrong.

HotScot
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 1:57 am

No, I cited the court you m0r0n. That’s why I highlighted it in bold!

AlanJ
Reply to  HotScot
October 11, 2023 6:44 am

The passage you’re quoting (from where?) is simply not true. You can read the entire judgement :

https://climatecite.com/british-columbia-judgment-mann-vs-ball-defamation-suit/

There is no mention anywhere of the dismissal being due to Mann failing to provide documents to the court. It seems to be plainly because the case lingered too long without any action being taken by the plaintiff, resulting in inordinate delay (during which time she of Ball’s key witnesses literally died of old age). Why do you believe random articles you find online when the facts are so easily verifiable?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:39 pm

Now you are lying since it has been shown that his paper is crap many times.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Sunsettommy
October 10, 2023 6:14 pm

Only it hasn’t; otherwise you would be right.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:54 pm

Statisticians have shown it to be manifestly corrupt and anti-science.

Only your DENIAL of that fact keeps your worship of Mann’s FAKE graph alive in your puny little anti-science mind.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:01 pm

You didn’t even defend the stupid paper…..

It was exposed by the Wegman and North Reports and that Dr. Mannfraud used tree data from Dr. Isdo for temperature, but the data was really about CO2 effects on tree growth.

LOL.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:22 pm

Actually it has. Getting a bunch of acolytes to re-run the same faulty numbers using the same invalid methods is hardly the re-affirmation that you desire it to be.
Other competent statisticians have shown that the statistical methods that Mann invented mined for hockey stick shapes. If even one of the proxies had anything like a hockey stick shape, then the result would always be a hockey stick.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:10 pm

First off, using the same data and same methods and getting the same results is not that big a deal. He had major problems with the data selected, and the statistical methods that he invented simply did not work in the way he advertised.

As to those joke enquiries, they consisted of a couple of low level workers from the president’s office going to Mann and asking him if he did anything wrong. When he said no, they closed the investigation.

We aren’t forgetful, it’s just that nothing you know is actually true.

Gunga Din
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 10:59 am

subsequent enquiries”
You mean like at Penn State where Mann was allowed to submit the questions they would ask him? And the head had previously found nothing wrong with Sandusky when complaints were made against him?
Those kind of enquiries?

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Brian0127
October 10, 2023 4:45 pm

Mann failed The Duck Test when he ignored the most basic of scientific criteria, ie. comparing like with like , and published his infamous hockey stick graph using temperature data with such different provenances with proxy data at one end and satellite data at the other.

The said ‘hockey stick graph’ does not rely on satellite data at all.

What were you saying about ‘failing the Duck Test’, Brian bunch-of numbers?

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:21 pm

True, the blade was made from surface data massively corrupted by urban, airport and manic agenda-driven mal-adjustments

He still spliced short time-period data onto massively average and faked long time period data… creating scientific nonsense.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  bnice2000
October 10, 2023 5:56 pm

Right, all the global temperature data producers are wrong and bnasty is right? Let me see….. The agony of choice. Wait. It’s bnasty or NASA, NOAA, UK Met Office, Japanese Met Office, Berkeley Earth, UH, RSS….

No, it must be my wee internet blog-post mate, bnasty!

See, you were right all along!

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:31 pm

DENYING that they are ALL based on surface sites that are PROVABLY unfit for climate purposes.

DENYING that urban warming doesn’t even exist.. when it is provable and measurable.

DENYING that the original raw data is manipulated to cool the past, when the data adjustments are show on the GHCN site.

You really haven’t got a clue, have you.

Now let’s try again.. keep running little child…

“How much warmer must it have been 1000 years ago for trees to grow where now there are glaciers?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:04 pm

This is why you have ZERO credibility since Dr. Mannfraud grafted annual modern temperature data onto a 1,000 year variable low resolution proxy sets which fails to show the long-known LIA and MWP.

You are an ignoramus!!!

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:26 pm

No, the ground based temperature series is hopelessly corrupted by many issues, including UHI contamination, improper maintenance of the immediate area, and undocumented equipment changes and equipment moves.

One survey of ground based monitors found that 80% of them failed to meet even the most minimal of standards.

This is a fact that is well known and acknowledged even by your fraudulent heros.
They claim that they have invented fanciful statistic methods that remove all the errors from the data. And the useful idiots (that would be you) eagerly lap it up.

Gunga Din
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 11:08 am

I have record highs and lows for the day for my little spot on the globe from different years. From NOAA.
About 10% of the records between 2007 and 2012 have changed. Not new records set but old records changed. i.e. A new record high for a certain day is lower than the record high in the 2007 list.
PS I also got a list via TheWayBackMachine for 2002. No changes in the 2007 list.

scvblwxq
October 10, 2023 3:07 pm

Coal is just wood compressed and heated by nature. It is completely renewable. Burn it and it releases CO2 which the trees take up and use to make more wood. The ashes make good fertilizer.

Gregory Woods
October 10, 2023 3:07 pm

Belief in Catastrophic Climate Collapse is a political issue, not a scientific one. No amount of facts will change an Alarmist’s belief.

HotScot
Reply to  Gregory Woods
October 10, 2023 4:16 pm

100%.

Around 90% of the worlds population lacks a higher educational qualification in any subject never mind science.

The alarmists figured this out long ago so used propaganda rather than science to convince the masses that climate change was catastrophic.

Talk science to 90%+ of the worlds population and you are talking a language they don’t understand.

Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 3:14 pm

… The most upfront manifestation of this is the ways in which outspoken female advocates of addressing climate change in substantive ways are targeted.”

C’mon, Mann!
You’ve gotten your share.

     Gunga Din says:
May 9, 2012 at 5:35 pm

What tree this is, I think I know.
It grew in Yamal some time ago.
Yamal 06 I’m placing here
In hopes a hockey stick will grow.

But McIntyre did think it queer
No tree, the stick did disappear!
Desperate measures I did take
To make that stick reappear.

There were some coring’s from a lake.
And other data I could bake.
I’ll tweak my model more until
Another hockey stick I’ll make!

I changed a line into a hill!
I can’t say how I was thrilled!
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 11, 2023 6:59 am

Mann is a disgrace to the profession.

Mike Maguire
October 10, 2023 3:15 pm

Calling people that disagree with you “truly awful human beings” as Professor Mann did, is about as contrary to sincerely practicing the scientific method as it gets.

Both sides are doing that sort of name calling.
However, there is a massive difference here with Dr. Mann.

Professor Mann, with all his credentials and decades of work has an enormous following. Many tens of millions of people look up to him as he sets an example and helps create the tone for much of mainstream climate science as one of their key spokespeople.

Michael Mann is a Modern Hero and we need to acknowledge that!
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/03/09/1072828/-Michael-Mann-is-a-Modern-Hero-and-we-need-to-acknowledge-that-

Mann in the Middle
https://thepenngazette.com/mann-in-the-middle/

Regardless of whether authentic climate science realists agree with people feeling this way about him or not, it’s a fact that they put him up on a pedestal.

He should be held to a much higher standard because of the responsibility that comes with his position and huge following. He is clearly violating that trust which people have in him by constantly digressing with unprofessional behavior and ANTI scientific messages like that one above.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2023 5:11 pm

Calling people that disagree with you “truly awful human beings” as Professor Mann did, is about as contrary to sincerely practicing the scientific method as it gets.

Assuming that this quotation isn’t taken out of context, then I would agree that this is an over-the-top remark by Mann and unhelpful.

There are a few things that annoy me a little about Mann, although I would say that his books are clearly written and well argued, so I won’t get personal. But I can see why he winds some people up.

You are not a ‘truly awful human being’, based on your position on the validity or otherwise of climate science. We’ve all seen what ‘truly awful human beings’ are during the sad events in Israel over this past few days. Let’s tone the rhetoric down: it’s just a scientific dispute.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 5:35 pm

“. . . it’s just a scientific dispute.”

It would be great if it was. Except your side wants to destroy Western civilization in the name of climate change (global warming). It’s far more than just a scientific dispute.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Jim Masterson
October 10, 2023 6:26 pm

My side? What side would that be? The side that acknowledges the clear scientific evidence?

My side is the side of science and accepting that the obvious climatic changes we are seeing are the consequences of our actions. I’m on the side of not flat-out denying these consequences as they occur daily in front of our very eyes.

I am a citizen of Western civilization, as are my children. I want a future for them in it. Yes, in that sense, it is far more than a scientific dispute.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:58 pm

“My side? What side would that be? The side that acknowledges the clear scientific evidence?”

Well, first, you need to acknowledge what side you are on. I can’t help you there. Second, many here have had decades of science training. I’m guessing you haven’t.

A so-called, self-proclaimed “scientist” said I was, “Just an engineer.” I probably have had more physics and mathematics than many scientists. I’ve also have studied continually since school–including thermodynamics. I can tell (but you probably have your fingers in your ears–or covering your eyes) that climate scientists are violating thermodynamics. Clear scientific evidence? That’s a laugh.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 7:03 pm

the clear scientific evidence?”

ROFLMAO.

Which you are totally incapable of producing !

“Your” side is built on fantasy, data mal-manipulation, and anti-science.

If you want a future for your children, you should be fighting tooth and nail against the corruption of electricity supplies by erratic, unreliable sources that waste HUGE amounts of money that doesn’t exist.

The anti-CO2 Net-Zero agenda is destroying western civilisations around the world.

Future generations will suffer a massive loss of life-style and self-worth because of these anti-science agendas that people like you espouse.

The massive debt needed for this fantasy will be passed down to many generations.

The whole of western civilisation depends totally on the constant availability of energy for electricity, transport, food , infrastructure… all brought to you by fossil fuels.

WHY DO YOU WANT TO DESTROY ALL THIS !

Why do you want to DESTOY the future for you children and their children !!!

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 7:07 pm

 the consequences of our actions”

What consequences might they be?

All real data points to nothing much happening in terms of extreme weather.

A slight beneficial warming .. by natural causes (in the absence of any evidence of human causation).

You still have produced absolutely nothing but empty, brain-washed rhetoric.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:33 pm

There is not and never has been any clear scientific evidence to support the religious conviction that CO2 is causing the current warming.
CO2 didn’t cause the 4 previous warm periods, nor did it cause the Holocene optimum.

There is no climatic change, much less an obvious one. Everything that has happened recently has happened multiple times during the last few hundred years.

There will be no future for your children if we continue on with this renewable energy nonsense. Billions will have to die in order to cut the world’s population enough for wind and solar to support them.

You are the one who refuses to deal with reality and the world as it actually is. You prove pretty lies to tough truth.

bnice2000
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2023 11:00 pm

As I have said a few times..

We are lucky to live in a time of CLIMATE NORMAL !

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 9:12 am

From the proxies, it’s quite clear that current temperatures are several degrees below normal.

bnice2000
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2023 9:11 pm

Yes, it does look that way.

Will have to remember that in future.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2023 11:13 pm

The evidence is CO2 levels FOLLOW temperature, not CAUSE it.

A gas that is a mere 0.04% of atmospheric inventory is incapable of warming anything,
+
if halved in level would just cause a massive bee death followed by plant die off, and global famine.
You would be suprised to see how sensitive bees are to cold weather.
They don’t like it.

Try drinking warm coca-cola to enjoy a kiddies experiment about CO2. It’s about the level of rusty’s science knowledge.

MarkW
Reply to  pigs_in_space
October 11, 2023 9:16 am

1) That delay that you reference is typically 900 to 1000 years. Thus it cannot be the cause of the recent CO2 increases. On the other hand, when we calculate all the fossil fuels that are known to have been burned, there is more than enough CO2 to explain the increase.

2) The belief that small amounts of a gas can’t possibly impact the larger atmosphere is simply anti-scientific.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2023 9:48 am

“That delay that you reference is typically 900 to 1000 years. Thus it cannot be the cause of the recent CO2 increases.”

It’s 800-1000 years, and about 800 years ago was the Medieval Warm Period.

MarkW
Reply to  Jim Masterson
October 11, 2023 12:13 pm

https://www.britannica.com/science/medieval-warm-period

The MWP was approximately 900 to 1300. By 800 years ago, the world was already cooling. It continued to cool up until around 250 years ago.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2023 5:07 pm

Hmmm, 2023 – 800 = 1223 and 2023 – 1000 = 1023. I fail to see the problem. Of course, my calculator could be using the new math.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 6:35 pm

it’s just a scientific dispute.”

And you have been soundly trounced at every turn when it comes to science.

You are, in fact, totally devoid of any scientific understanding or science of any worth whatsoever.

You just go on with your manic DENIAL and AVOIDANCE headless chook routine.

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 9:29 pm

You quite clearly define “well written” as being anything you agree with.
I guess even frauds can be well written when they are shopping their lies.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 11:04 pm

“it’s just a scientific dispute.”
Except that you have no zilch about science, because everything you type in your silly ascii is emotion based giberish
+
you refuse to accept clear evidence that the earth has just emerged from a famine ridden freezing “little ice age”, and that the Romans grew wine grapes successfully in the wet/cold UK 2000 years ago…

Quite apart from the Vikings farming 1000 yrs ago in a place now which is limit useable today for farming. “GREEN” – LAND.

bnice2000
Reply to  pigs_in_space
October 10, 2023 11:39 pm

And he has not been able to give any explanation whatsoever of how much warmer it must have been 1000 years ago, when forests grew where now there are glaciers.

I doubt he is capable of any rational thought process of his own, at all. !

KevinM
Reply to  Mike Maguire
October 10, 2023 5:20 pm

authentic climate science realists” Sammy Sooser just spit his steroid-laced root beer.

Jeff
October 10, 2023 3:19 pm

That abstract is rhetorical onanism.

KevinM
Reply to  Jeff
October 10, 2023 5:21 pm

Not sure how much i afree but _+1 for word usage.

Independent
October 10, 2023 3:23 pm

Methinks they doth protest too much. Anyone paying attention knows the political left are more or less openly authoritarian and horribly misogynistic as well.

MarkW
Reply to  Independent
October 10, 2023 4:14 pm

The left is everything they accuse the right of being.
racist
sexist
anti-semitic
obsessed with wealth

the list goes on.

HotScot
Reply to  Independent
October 10, 2023 4:18 pm

Which was the party of slavery?

Well blow me down, it was the Democrats.

Bigus Macus
October 10, 2023 3:33 pm

Does he hang out with Hillary?

MarkW
Reply to  Bigus Macus
October 10, 2023 4:14 pm

Does anybody hang out with Hillary?

Gunga Din
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2023 4:54 pm

Even Bill looks elsewhere!

MarkW
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 9:35 pm

Did they have artificial insemination back when Chelsea was conceived?

HotScot
Reply to  Bigus Macus
October 10, 2023 4:20 pm

Thanks!

That’s a mental image I can now never unsee.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Bigus Macus
October 10, 2023 4:53 pm

Hillary talking about those who support Trump.

Because at some point maybe there needs to be a formal deprogramming of the cult members. But something needs to happen.”

Deplorable statement.
Sounds a bit “authoritarian” to me.

MarkW
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 9:37 pm

To the left, it isn’t authoritarian when they agree with the goals.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gunga Din
October 11, 2023 7:17 am

Hillary ought to be in jail.

I hear the Republican House is planning on investigating Bill and Hillary’s “Clinton Foundation”.

Hillary is hoping Trump and the Republicans don’t win the next election. If they do, it will be bad for Hillary, and a lot of other traitors to the United States, which basically means most of the members of the Obama-Biden administration and the Biden administration. Many of the actors are the same in both administrations, and every one of them that took part in trying to impeach Trump over Russian collusion are traitors to their country because they all knew from the very beginning that there was no collusion between Trump and the Russians. The charges were trumped up from the very beginning, and Hillary played a major part in all this.

These traitors used the power of the federal government to try to destroy their political opposition, and they are doing it today with their continuing attacks on Trump and Trump supporters.

Traitors, every damn one of them!

PCman999
October 10, 2023 3:34 pm

It’s really sad when scientists resort to name calling and personal attacks, and on top of that, jump-the-shark by putting their hatred into a formal looking research paper.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  PCman999
October 11, 2023 7:21 am

All climate change alarmists have is name calling. They don’t have any evidence for their claims of climate doom, so they disparage skeptics in hopes this will discourage skeptics from telling the world there is no evidence CO2 is anything other than a benign gas, essential for life on Earth.

Climate alarmists can’t prove their case, and they don’t want skeptics pointing this out.

Bob
October 10, 2023 3:38 pm

I didn’t realize we were beating the CAGW mongrels this badly. This has to be the sorriest piece of claptrap yet. Have the CAGW offered any proper science to support their claims?

HotScot
Reply to  Bob
October 10, 2023 4:23 pm

Hey!

My dogs are mongrels. They don’t give a sh!t about CAGW.

KevinM
Reply to  Bob
October 10, 2023 5:24 pm

I think they are failing the marshmallow test. How hard would it be to wait 100 yers for a probability to say “see, told ya!”.

bnice2000
Reply to  Bob
October 10, 2023 6:35 pm

Have the CAGW offered any proper science to support their claims?”

NEVER !

Richard Page
October 10, 2023 3:53 pm

I’m going to go way, way off topic right now so apologies in advance!
A possible story tip – One of Luton Airport’s large multi-storey car parks has, this evening, burst into flames, engulfing the top 2 storeys and spreading. It started this evening when a car caught alight and 12 more are now burning fiercely. Multiple fire crews are tackling the blaze where 6 firefighters and a civilian are suffering from smoke inhalation, many ambulances have attended including the Hazardous Area Response Team.
I say possible story tip because it isn’t clear if an EV was the cause but, if it was, then this might be the biggest and, certainly, most visible EV fire in the UK so far. I haven’t included a link as it’s been picked up by several news outlets already – should be easy to access.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Page
October 10, 2023 4:16 pm

So it it turns out that a gas/petrol/diesel vehicle was the cause we should immediately ban all gas/petrol/diesel vehicles?

Jim Masterson
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 4:28 pm

No, just the badly maintained ones or the ones caused by terrorism.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Jim Masterson
October 11, 2023 7:25 am

Speaking of terrorism and electric cars, I imagine it wouldn’t be too hard for a terrorist to rig a small explosive and go into a parking garage and use the explosive to damage an electric vehicle in hopes it would burn the whole building down once it got started.

HotScot
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 10, 2023 4:41 pm

According to you lot, ICE cars go on fire all the time so it would make no difference.

Having seen more ICE car fires than I’ve had hot breakfast’s over the years, I can say with complete confidence that 99.9% of them were stolen and torched deliberately.

The other 0.1% were entirely undramatic, confined to the engine bay, and extinguished by the fire service within minutes.

bnice2000
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 3:22 am
bnice2000
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 3:57 am

Interesting…..

On the same link as above, the picture below the roof collapse video shows a car on fire.

The shape and tail-light seems to indicate it is a Landrover Discovery Sports

Guess what.. while, yes, it is a diesel car.. it also has a PHEV plug-in battery.

Explore Discovery Sport | Plug-In Electric Hybrid | Discovery (landrover.com.au)

This would explain the strange location of the flames. !

bnice2000
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 4:13 am

Look where the flames are coming from under the car…….

… then have a guess where the drive battery is in a Landrover Discovery Sports. 😉

bnice2000
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 4:01 am

I have to say, that from an engineering point of view, a multi-story car park made of unprotected steel and with no sprinkler system, seems a pretty idiotic sort of design !!

Even a small fire next to an upright would weaken the structure considerably.

Richard Page
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 4:29 am

Looks very odd – source of ignition looks almost like it starts off-camera then engulfs the car, which then goes up. I’ve no issue with the people on the scene saying the first vehicle destroyed was the diesel engined car but how, exactly, was that diesel ignited? Diesel is a difficult fuel to ignite outside of an engine and, if it was the leaking fuel line that has been quoted, it wouldn’t just go up from a stray spark like a petrol leak. No, jury’s still out on this one, still a lot of questions and time will tell. If those initial conclusions are premature and it was an EV, I think that’s the insurance out the window at least.

Richard Page
Reply to  TheFinalNail
October 11, 2023 4:10 am

Who mentioned a ban? I certainly didn’t, so where did that bit of tomfoolery come from TFN? If an ICE car has spontaneously combusted, ripped through a multi-storey car park, causing structural collapse and the destruction of nearly a thousand other cars (latest estimate) then, yes, the least I’d expect is an enquiry into how it happened and a ban on parking cars close together in a big car park.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
October 11, 2023 5:12 am

Oddly enough this is not the first big fire in a multi-storey that highlights the lack of safety features. New Year’s Eve, 2017 the King’s Dock, Liverpool, car park erupted destroying 1600 other cars and the cause was a faulty petrol engined Range Rover. The fire safety report also highlighted a lack of sprinklers as being an issue.

TheFinalNail
Reply to  Richard Page
October 11, 2023 2:33 am

BBC Reporting:

“[The Chief Fire Officer] said it was thought the fire started with a diesel car, and then spread through the car park.”

So there we have it. Ban all diesel vehicles or just stop talking about it and pretend it didn’t happen because it wasn’t started by an electric car?

UK-Weather Lass
Reply to  Richard Page
October 11, 2023 3:50 am

The Final Nail (TFN) seems to jump before the gun which explains the preference for CAGW rather than the very measured case for the those with attention spans greater than a few seconds.

The BBC latest on the Luton Airport Fire explains “Liam Smith, crew commander at Leighton Buzzard fire station, said that when he arrived, the fire was mainly on the third floor. But it quickly spread down to the lower floors when the third floor started to collapse.
He said there were “lots of electric vehicles potentially involved quite early on”.

No doubt there will be more to come. There were a lot of explosions heard – electric cars seem the obvious explanation but well done to the emergency services for managing to save many cars.

Personally speaking I think electric cars are a tragic and dangerous waste of technology, much like wind and solar are for other (similar short sighted) reasons. I don’t think TFN is quite up to the job of helping the alarmist cause inj any way, shape or form. Another waste of human space?

Richard Page
Reply to  UK-Weather Lass
October 11, 2023 5:57 am

Yeah – it really doesn’t matter if the first car to go up was an EV, the fact is that the fire spread quickly to ‘lots’ of EV’s parked close together which then went off like bombs.
Public perception was, before this, that EV’s cause fires; the fact that within minutes of the report of the Luton fire the internet was filling up with people blaming EV’s is hugely significant and disastrous for the EV industry.

MCourtney
October 10, 2023 3:57 pm

Misogyny?
Greta has not been sued for making things up.
AOC has not been sued for making things up.

But Michael Mann…

MarkW
October 10, 2023 3:59 pm

Those on the left are absolutely convinced that they are doing the work of the angels, and that anyone who opposes them is pure evil.

Walter R. Hogle
Reply to  MarkW
October 10, 2023 4:08 pm

Deranged superman syndrome

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Walter R. Hogle
October 11, 2023 7:32 am

Deranged, for sure.

alastairgray29yahoocom
October 10, 2023 4:06 pm

I definitely hate nitasha cos she’s all girly. I hope that tom is transgender or binary so i can hate they too. It goes without saying that I hate M E Personn whatever their pronouns cos they is an unscientific eejit

J Boles
October 10, 2023 4:09 pm

I bet you Mann does not have solar panels on his house.

Tommy2b
Reply to  J Boles
October 10, 2023 4:14 pm

But he will blame it on a Big Oil conspiracy making solar panels much more expensive, inefficient, and toxic than they would be without evil Denier interference.

Gunga Din
Reply to  J Boles
October 10, 2023 4:57 pm

I seem to recall several years ago a satellite photo of his house. There were a couple of solar panels. Maybe enough to power his coffee maker. Hardly enough to recharge his EV. (If he has one.)

Gunga Din
October 10, 2023 4:25 pm

This “study” appears to be Mann’s kind of “science”.
Maybe he’ll make a Hockey Stick out of it?

KevinM
October 10, 2023 4:32 pm

Does WUWT know its audience demographics? As a long-time reader of the comments section, I sense “we who opine” are over 40, white, male, educated, politically conservative and economically middle class. If the web is an open party (all seem welcome on WUWT, though a few names get pummeled every post) then no one should blame the host for who shows up.

MarkW
Reply to  KevinM
October 10, 2023 9:41 pm

That may describe the majority, however the left is pretty well represented as well.
MCourtney and HotScot are well to the left.

HotScot
Reply to  MarkW
October 11, 2023 2:50 am

Why, because you don’t like hearing the cold hard truth about what’s happening in Ukraine?

The west is getting it’s a** handed to it. Russia is mounting it’s own counter offensive right now, and the Ukrainians have run out of men and equipment.

But you would rather Ukrainians kept fighting. 500,000+ dead Ukrainian soldiers so far. A country of 40 million people now down to 20 million people, with millions of refugees flooding across Europe.

This entire mess caused because the US threw it’s toys out the pram (again) when it didn’t get its way to site nuclear weapons in Ukraine pointed at Moscow.

All of which is needless and utterly futile. Biden despatched Boris Johnson to order Zelensky to tear up a draft peace treaty agreed between Russia and Ukraine in March 2022. Iraq WMD lies between the US and the Uk once again (nor do I exclude the UK from any of this).

The US has been involved in 71 major conflicts since 1945. US troops have been sent into service 251 times since 1991 (Congressional Service Report) and the CIA has overthrown 83 governments since 1947. Hundreds of military bases scattered around the world including it’s illegal presence in Syria, whilst Russia is there by invitation.

The Minsk agreement, trashed by the west with Merkle announcing to the world it was simply cover to train, arm and mobilise Ukraine to conduct an 8 year war against it’s own people to provoke Russia.

At least three further attempts by Russia since then, working with other nations, to broker a peace deal have been rejected by Washington.

How does Russia stack up against that astonishing level of dishonesty and aggression?

But someone disagrees with you Mark, so you retreat to your entrenched Cold War mentality, snarl and spit about others being leftist, and squeal about the evils of communism, which Russia rejected 30 years ago.

You are a bitter old man feeding on propaganda and living in the past.

DavsS
Reply to  HotScot
October 11, 2023 4:49 am

Maybe you need to look in the mirror.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  HotScot
October 11, 2023 7:42 am

“How does Russia stack up against that astonishing level of dishonesty and aggression?”

Perhaps Putin isn’t as honest as you think he is.

Here’s some truth for you (I saved in just for you):

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4064431-wagner-chief-says-russias-war-in-ukraine-intended-to-benefit-elites-accuses-moscow-of-lying/

Wagner chief says Russia’s war in Ukraine intended to benefit elites, accuses Moscow of lying
by Brad Dress – 06/23/23 12:28 PM ET

“Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin on Friday said Russia’s war in Ukraine is intended to benefit Russian elites and accused Moscow of lying about the full-scale invasion launched last year, escalating his feud with top Russian leadership to new heights.

In a video released on his Telegram channel and circulated widely on the internet, Prigozhin countered Russian President Vladimir Putin’s argument that invading Ukraine was necessary to denazify and demilitarize the country. Putin has also accused Kyiv of persecuting ethnic Russians and of acting as a puppet and “battering ram” against Russia on behalf of Western allies.

“The war was not needed to return our Russian citizens and not to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine,” Prigozhin said in the video, claiming it was instead launched to benefit Russian leaders. “The war was needed by oligarchs. It was needed by the clan that is today practically ruling in Russia.”
Prigozhin claimed the goal of the “special military operation,” the official name for the war in Russia, was to install pro-Russian and Putin ally Viktor Medvedchuk, who is living in exile in Russia, as president of Ukraine and to divide up the assets of the country.

“They were stealing loads in Donbas, they wanted more,” Prigozhin said, likely referring to the Russian-backed resistance launched in eastern Ukraine in 2014. He also said there was never any plan for Ukraine or the Western security alliance NATO to attack Russia.”

end excerpt

So it is all about greed for Putin and his buddies. It’s not about righting wrongs. All your excuse making for Putin means nothing, and is based on nothing.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 11, 2023 9:24 am

HotScot, like most of the left, is intellectually incapable of believing that the US is not the cause of all evil.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
October 11, 2023 9:23 am

So much hatred, so little actual data, yup HotScott is definitely a creature of the left.
BTW, nothing you believe is actually true, but so long as you can blame the US or NATO, you lap it up.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eric Worrall
October 11, 2023 7:47 am

Yes, WUWT does an excellent job of allowing all sides to speak.

climategrog
October 10, 2023 4:52 pm

Hayhoe, here we go again !

Climate change is a man-made problem and must have a feminist solution.

So …. What’s a Woman ???

Since no one, even Supreme Court judges, do not even know what a woman is these days, how will we know a feminist solution if we see one ? Are we looking for a TERF solution ? Most male politicians seem to declare themselves “ardent feminists” these days, does that count ?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  climategrog
October 11, 2023 7:48 am

I know what a woman is. 🙂

I suspect that applies to most of us, who are not radical leftists.

Gunga Din
Reply to  climategrog
October 11, 2023 9:56 am

“Climate change is a man-made problem and must have a feminist solution.”

Anybody else notice what they did there?
“Man-made” as in Mankind just means “human”, not only males. Yet it must have a female solution?!? Who’s being sexist here?

Smart Rock
October 10, 2023 4:54 pm

I tried to read the paper but I got stuck on the first sentence of the introduction that states:

Many contemporary democracies are under severe strain from right-wing majoritarian political projects” (my bold)

Which appears to be saying that politicians elected by a majority of voters are a threat to democracy.

Funny, I always thought that being elected by a majority was the essential principle of democracy.

The first paragraph includes a list of democratically elected leaders who aren’t to their taste. I suppose even these dimwits were unable to cast Giorgia Meloni as a misogynist, so she was conspicuously absent from the list. And the whole screed went downhill from there.

I couldn’t stand the thought of wading through pages of such sophomoric nonsense, and gave up after a page and a half. It’s just ivory-tower gibberish, devoid of any real meaning.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Smart Rock
October 11, 2023 7:50 am

“It’s just ivory-tower gibberish, devoid of any real meaning.”

Exactly.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Smart Rock
October 11, 2023 10:00 am

“All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others.”
(They deserve multiple votes.)

climategrog
October 10, 2023 5:02 pm

Mann is a lying, deceitful POS and a bully. He was a main force in twisting the arms of generally spineless academics into playing along with the climate scam.

His hockey stick was a botched mess. “Mikes’ Nature trick”, where he cropped off the inconvenient part of Briffa’s tree-ring proxy was scientific fraud. He lied about winning a Nobel Prize, trying to give the impression he was a Nobel winning scientist when he was not even entitled to claim he won a ridiculous “peace prize”.

Why does anyone listen to this fraud at all ?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  climategrog
October 11, 2023 7:54 am

“Why does anyone listen to this fraud at all ?”

That’s the question.

I think if they repudicate Mann, then they essentially repudicate the climate change crisis.

I think Phil Jones needs a little repudiating, too. Along with some others in the temperature data mannipulating community who have given us a false temperature trendline with the aim of demonizing CO2.

bnice2000
October 10, 2023 5:03 pm

Poor pathetic sociologists trying to get in on the climate trough.

Little Mickey knows he has lost any chance of arguing the actual science, so links in with other scientifically INCOMPETANT clowns like himself.

It is totally LAUGHABLE !

DavsS
Reply to  bnice2000
October 11, 2023 4:47 am

Which reminds me – we don’t seem to have heard from Lewandowsky for a while.

Gary Pearse
October 10, 2023 5:16 pm

“Is it a coincidence that most climate activists (though not all) also seem to have very left wing political views?”

It seems that most of the climate protesters are also women. Their nurture/caring genes served the survival of prehistoric humans admirably, but it is a somewhat lefty trait.

https://www.voacambodia.com/a/worldwide-protest-launched-against-climate-change/5092484.html

karlomonte
October 10, 2023 5:21 pm

What a dork.

stinkerp
October 10, 2023 5:21 pm

The first clue that what follows is nonsense is “Michael Mann tweets . . .”. Everything after that is irrelevant. It’s nice that you take the time to critique a ridiculous “study” but my Spidey Sense had already alerted me to its vacuity thanks to the fact that Mann believes it. The title of the screed gives away its purpose “Misogyny, authoritarianism, and climate change”. That the authors would connect misogyny to opinions on climate change—two completely unrelated subjects—and attempt to “explore” it tells us volumes about the perverse thought processes of the authors. You can sleep peacefully knowing that what they produced is exactly bupkis, according to the original meaning of the Yiddish word.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  stinkerp
October 11, 2023 8:02 am

“the perverse thought processes of the authors”

Their thought processes are to demonize skeptics in any way possible.

Today, they claim skeptics hate women, and are therefore bad people, without any eveidence of any hatred, I might add (what else is new with alarmists?) and they imply one should not listen to skeptics for this reason.

This is just a different way to attempt to demonize skeptics.

Propaganda 101.

KevinM
October 10, 2023 5:29 pm

I feel dumb. I don’t recognize the lady in the photo.Looks too young to be a famous conservative.

Dan Pangburn
October 10, 2023 5:34 pm

Denying that CO2 does not cause significant climate change is not the same as denying climate. An explanation of why/how CO2 has no significant effect on climate:
Water vapor is a transparent gas that, molecule for molecule, is more effective at absorb/emit of earth-temperature infrared radiation (IR) than carbon dioxide. From Jan 1988 thru Dec 2022 NASA/RSS accurately measured and reported monthly the global average water vapor as Total Precipitable Water (TPW). The anomaly data are reported at [1]. The nominal value is about 29 kg/m^2 so trend from Jan 1988 thru Dec 2022 is 1.36 % per decade.
Given that at ground level, average global water vapor is about 0.8% or 8,000 ppmv (parts per million by volume), the increase in water vapor molecules in 3.5 decades is about 0.0136 * 8000 * 3.5 = 381 ppmv. From Mauna Loa data at [2] the CO2 increase in that time period is 420 – 350 = 70 ppm. Per ideal gas laws, ppm = ppmv. With that, water vapor molecules have been increasing 381/70 = 5.4 times faster than CO2 molecules. Thus, regardless of the initial source of warming, water vapor molecules have been increasing more than 5 times faster than CO2 molecules. The idea that CO2 starts the increase is ludicrous.
Further analysis shows that the determination by molecule count that increased CO2 influence on the climate has been only about 1/5 as much as the increased water vapor influence is still high. Radiation from water vapor molecules can be in any direction but, because of the steep decline with altitude of the population gradient of water vapor molecules, the distance traveled by a photon before it encounters another water vapor molecule is greater towards space than towards earth so the prevailing direction of IR flux is towards space. This is shown on a Top of Atmosphere (TOA) graph of radiation flux vs wavenumber (wavenumber is the number of wavelengths in a centimeter) by the jagged line below about wavenumber 600 [3]. Because of the characteristic absorb/emit signature of every gas no other gas can significantly absorb or emit radiation in this wavenumber range occupied by water vapor. The line is jagged because radiation that reaches TOA/space is from water vapor molecules at different temperatures/altitudes.
References:
1. NASA/RSS measurements thru Dec 2022 of Total Precipitable Water anomalies https://data.remss.com/vapor/monthly_1deg/tpw_v07r02_198801_202212.time_series.txt
2. Mauna Loa data for CO2: https://www.co2.earth/monthly-co2
3. Figure 1 in Theory of Redirected energy: https://energyredirect3.blogspot.com

October 10, 2023 5:35 pm

3 time lawsuit loser running at the mouth again…….

MarkW
Reply to  Sunsettommy
October 10, 2023 9:46 pm

3 time loser, and 3 time refusing to pay his fines or judgements.

William Howard
October 10, 2023 6:00 pm

Name calling is what leftist do best

ianalexs
October 10, 2023 6:26 pm

Gee, it’s pretty obvious these ELMA people are so bad in every possible way, that we need to suspend their right to vote, and get the cattle cars and internment camps ready.

MarkW
Reply to  ianalexs
October 10, 2023 9:47 pm

That’s what the left usually does once they get enough political power.

Jeff Alberts
October 10, 2023 7:21 pm

The way Mann treated Dr. Curry, he shouldn’t be casting aspersions about misogyny.

Rod Evans
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
October 11, 2023 1:25 am

Yes that Congressional hearing, was the day Mann went from Nero to Zero and never came back.

niceguy12345
October 10, 2023 8:37 pm

In these difficult times, I really need:

  • YouTube dogs videos
  • Electorally Legitimated Misogynist Authoritarian (ELMA)
MarkW
Reply to  niceguy12345
October 10, 2023 9:49 pm

What exactly does “Electorally Legitimated” mean?
I’m guessing it means that the Misogynist Authoritarians are proclaiming that just because they won an election, they have a right to lead the country.

Pat from Kerbob
October 10, 2023 11:10 pm

Seems pretty clear there isn’t a sewer Piltdown Mann won’t climb into for a bit of publicity.

What a creature he is.

Rod Evans
October 11, 2023 12:49 am

We can all take the Mickey out of man, but it takes a special kind of Mann to take the Mickey out of himself.
The alarmists movement are deeply in trouble if this cartoon character is their go to expert on anything…..
He even provided his own stick to beat himself with.

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 11, 2023 2:09 am

I read the first line about ELMA and knew this is a spoof in the Sokal style.

Energywise
October 11, 2023 2:57 am

There’s big money to be had in deceit, no honour, but great finances

bobpjones
October 11, 2023 3:06 am

We can all take comfort, from one thing. Mann’s brain is in two halves. In the left half, nothing is right, and in the right half, there’s nothing left.

Joseph Zorzin
October 11, 2023 3:37 am

“The study authors have a problem with climate skeptics “targeting” female leaders like AOC and Greta, arguing the motivation is misogyny.”

They aren’t being criticized because they’re female- it’s because they’re idiots. On the contrary, we’re not suppossed to criticize them BECAUSE they’re female? Maybe 50 years ago we might have gone easy on them because they’re female, but now we believe they’re liberated so they don’t need such special tenderness when the things they say threaten all of us. Thus we’re showing respect for their gender by ignoring it!

vboring
October 11, 2023 5:03 am

This study is a social test. Many people like myself quietly believe that climate science is overblown.

I’m a highly educated professional who works in a liberal sector. If my coworkers knew my perspective on this, it would significantly impact my work relationships and likely my prospects for professional advancement.

If I was in a study like the above, I would probably lie about what I think about climate science.

Energywise
October 11, 2023 5:35 am

These types are highly discredited – staying relevant requires them to be operating on the boundaries of human decency
In increasing numbers of climate realists, these shills thrash around grubbily looking for that last bit of funding before the whole circus leaves town

Gunga Din
October 11, 2023 10:32 am

Here’s some misogyny for them.
A joke regarding US history.

“First, Women got the vote which was followed by Prohibition which was followed by The Great Depression which was followed by WW2 which resulted in the ultimate PMS, The Atom Bomb. And now Congress can’t balance its checkbook!”

Of course, that’s just a joke and Prohibition was ratified about 8 months before Women got the vote.
But if Mann can mix up a couple of lake cores for the sake of his joke, why can’t I mix up a couple of dates for mine? 😎

gyan1
October 11, 2023 3:26 pm

The Epoch Times is leading the charge against woke idiocy.

Era of ‘Unquestioned and Unchallenged’ Climate Change Claims Is Over | The Epoch Times

Andy Pattullo
October 11, 2023 3:48 pm

Early in my medical training I was introduced to a long-term patient who had Wernicke-korsakoff’s syndrome – a forum of dementia caused by long term alcohol over-consumption. Characteristic of these patients is disorientation to time and place and continuous confabulation where they say things that might superficially appear to be coherent but which make no sense at all on reflection. They misuse words, make firm statements that are immediately seen to be nonsense, and have no self-awareness of their own failure to communicate logically. I would have a hard time telling the difference between that patient long ago and the drivel being oozed out by the authors of this unscientific “study”.

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 11, 2023 3:49 pm

Correction: “form of dementia”

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
October 11, 2023 5:21 pm

Maybe Richard Brinsley Sheridan knew of someone with that syndrome and gave his character, “Mrs. Malaprop,” the same characteristic. So now we use malaprop for when people insert a similar sounding but incorrect word. Archie Bunker in “All in the Family” was famous for using malaprops. How about calling it a Malaprop Study?

markx
October 11, 2023 5:35 pm

They are working hard on a divide and conquer strategy. Well, many divide and conquer strategies.

EmilyDaniels
October 13, 2023 5:46 am

So all of the vicious attacks on outspoken women on the skeptic/realist side don’t count because…?

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