Comments on: The Cult of Darkness https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-cult-of-darkness-2 The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change Sun, 24 Dec 2023 00:41:40 +0000 hourly 1 By: abolition man https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835851 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 00:41:40 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835851 In reply to Kevin Kilty.

“The successes of education over the past forty years…” have been to create a large pool of semi-literate puppets who think emotionally far more than logically, and are highly susceptible to psychological persuasion and mental illness!
Our Sisyphean task is to not just enlighten these poor deluded dolts, but to teach them how to think for themselves so that they can eventually acquire all the learning they were deprived in their “education!” This is truly the Age of Propaganda, and the KlimateKultKabuki Hoax is just one of the numerous tools used to delude and impoverish humanity!

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By: Kevin Kilty https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835721 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 20:02:42 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835721 In reply to Joseph Zorzin.

You and I may recall such, but we are old guys who saw it all in real time. The majority of voters quite possibly have never even heard about this thus cannot recall it. Such are the successes of education over the past 40 years.

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By: 1saveenergy https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835695 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:23:53 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835695 In reply to mkelly.

String theory is a long knotty concept !! (:-))

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By: Drake https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835637 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 17:21:18 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835637 In reply to Joseph Zorzin.

So it looks like WE ARE ALL GONNA D!E!!!!

Or not.

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By: mkelly https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835630 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 17:14:29 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835630 In reply to 1saveenergy.

Ok you don’t accept that. Just like I don’t accept string theory.

Dominion also means sovereignty.

Have a nice Christmas.

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835619 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:53:23 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835619 In reply to William Howard.

They fail to recall that the Soviet Union had a terrible environmental record. Proper capitalist theory supports defending the environment in a way that is cost effective.

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835617 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:51:06 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835617 In reply to Kevin Kilty.

I guess it’s considered impolite to challenge another scientist at such an event- professional courtesy!

In my half century of forestry work- most of that challenging forest policies in Wokeachusetts, whenever I challenged them, they said I should learn to be more “polite and professional”. My challenges usually started off polite- then when ignored, I got far less polite. For my challenges, they twice tried to bust me with the state’s forester license board- with no luck of course. My lawyer (old friend), the ACLU, and myself- reminded them of the first amendment.

Don’t such folks recall what Socrates said on this topic?

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By: 1saveenergy https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835605 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:33:39 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835605 In reply to mkelly.

“God gave man dominion over the earth”
That’s just a theory in a book/text/bible written by men, where’s the empirical evidence ??

Dominion = Control or the exercise of control;
Do you seriously believe man controls the earth ???
We can’t even cure the common cold, we can’t control – the sun, wind, waves, earthquakes, volcanos, or tectonic plate movement, yet these are the things that control us, plus all the micro-organisms.

Cyanobacteria, was the first living thing to ‘have dominion over the earth’, more complex organisms evolved & shaped evolution; man has only just arrived at the party.

Now, if you really think man has dominion, drink some water with Cyanobacteria in it …see who wins that fight; you won’t have dominion over your own bowels let alone the earth !!!

It is stated in the New Testament “The meek shall inherit the earth” …
Well, the meek ( micro-organisms ) never gave up their inheritance, they use us, & when we are of no further use, man will go extinct just like millions of other species that have gone before us.

You just don’t accept it.”
For exactly the same reason that most on WUWT don’t just accept CAGW without some empirical evidence (for which we’ve been waiting with bated breath for years ).

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By: general custer https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835601 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:20:04 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835601 Energy is not for conserving; it is for unleashing to serve us, to make our lives better,

Ultimately, energy is a replacement for the use of human muscle to accomplish work, to move bigger things farther, so humans then have the freedom to do other things. The domestication of fire was probably the first instance of humans using an outside energy source for their own benefit but in reality it was preceded by the food they eat. The energy supplied by food, like all energy transactions, must be more than the energy expended to acquire it. This is true across the spectrum of energy bargains.
The arithmetic of energy could mean that the “cost” of its use in a given application could be more than the benefit, however that may be determined. We live in a technological era in which there’s so much energy availability and potential that energy cost can be passed on into the unpredictable future, just as governments borrow money that their grandchildren will be required to repay in the unlikely event that those governments survive.
Climate paranoia is a silly affliction which doesn’t recognize the fact that the slight increase in temperature at times and places is in reality a bonus in terms of the energy transaction. Less energy will be needed to maintain and expand the current standard of living. The cost to change this formula would be far in excess of any benefit received.

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By: Kevin Kilty https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835576 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:39:03 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835576 In reply to Joseph Zorzin.

Very nice. It was perhaps in the Autumn of 1974, maybe the spring of 1975, some physicist from a school in Idaho came to Bozeman for one of our regular colloquia and predicted exactly this same furtue. He said that 5C of temperature rise is all it would take to hold all water on the planet in the atmosphere — he did not mention 2,000 degrees of warming. What is notable about this lecture (the 1974 one) is that not a single “scientific” person raised an objection. The only objections raised were from an economist who objected to the physicist insisting that GDP and energy consumption were one and the same.

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By: William Howard https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835553 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:09:42 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835553 As a former head of the UNIPCC stated the goal of the environmental movement is the destruction of capitalism – global warming is just the means to delude the masses

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By: mkelly https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835543 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:57:47 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835543 In reply to 1saveenergy.

God gave man dominion over the earth so there is some evidence. You just don’t accept it.

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By: Rich Davis https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835535 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:47:20 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835535 In reply to Steve Case.

I didn’t want to dwell on the negative, but that is one of the points in the article that I found weak. Clearly, before mankind is reduced to utilizing diffuse energy sources such as sunlight and the winds it generates, we will rely on fission for many centuries.

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By: Rich Davis https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835527 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:38:46 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835527 In reply to 1saveenergy.

Sorry, replied to the wrong comment in my dotage.

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By: Rich Davis https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835522 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:25:58 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835522 In reply to 1saveenergy.

While I don’t share your literal interpretation, I wish a blessed Christmas to you and yours John.

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835512 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:45:00 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835512 Two Thousand Degrees Of Warming
“There appears to be one-upmanship in climate academia, where each new baseless prediction is substantially more ridiculous than previous ones. All peer-reviewed of course.”

a Tony Heller masterpiece

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By: strativarius https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835503 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:20:07 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835503 It really is a [bonkers] cult.

The pursuit of Net Zero seems to justify unbridled interference with both commerce and individual liberty, because no restriction is too severe, unfair or poorly thought out, so long as it’s intended to ‘save the planet’. The free market is out the window. Embracing a Soviet-style command economy, as of 2024, Westminster will now idiotically fine the manufacturers of gas and oil boilers if they fail to ensure that four per cent of their sales are heat pumps. Shouldn’t the government instead fine customers for not wanting heat pumps? Effectively, the state will do just that. Manufacturers have announced a £300 fee per boiler installation to cover their fines.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/12/22/the-daddy-state/

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By: Tom in Florida https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835501 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:17:07 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835501 The author of this piece is absolutely correct. It is 59F this morning here on the central west coast of Florida. I got up and my well insulated house was at 72F. I turned on the heat and now it is 78F, much more to my liking and comfort. Not sweaters or sweat pants for me.

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By: strativarius https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835491 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:57:16 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835491 In reply to 1saveenergy.

Ha Notsri was a very radical man for his time. Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin put that jack back in its box. Or is that on its cross? The stuff of legend.

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By: 1saveenergy https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/23/the-cult-of-darkness-2/#comment-3835487 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 12:42:29 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273091#comment-3835487 In reply to john cheshire.

As far as I am aware, there is no evidence that God gave them to us to use for our benefit;
Just as you say, it’s a belief system, just like CAGW is a belief system, both are based on flawed theories with no empirical evidence, and both ‘sin’ to control.

God was made in the image of man to explain the unexplainable.

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