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Maybe it’s not a jet but one of those wind-powered planes?
You know. The ones with those windmills at the end of the engines.
J Boles
October 2, 2023 6:17 pm
Typical leftist, high flying hypocrisy, with a contrail even!
Michael C. Roberts
October 2, 2023 6:18 pm
I wonder if this person posseses the mental capacity to realize if the ‘oil’ did stop being delivered to the engine compressor, thrust would cease and the aircraft would bank and fall precipitously to the earth – with her in it. But, yea, wear you vitue signaling shirt on your way to the protest
I was wondering about Women’s Studies. I stupidly didn’t save the link, but I saw that taking even one grievance studies course would change a student into a woke idiot. Not quite that wording, but something like that.
Surprisingly, I couldn’t find a Women’s studies program at Exeter, except at the post-grad level.
Because of demographic collapse, college enrollments are declining. My mantra is, Defund the Universities. Reduced student numbers are already causing schools to close, so I may get my wish. Normally, I’d post a link but the one, rather long, story I read through had so much else wrong with it that I couldn’t conscience linking to it.
Despite what you might be hearing, the United States is in the midst of its greatest period of industrialization since WWII… if not ever. How did we get here?
Labor will be in such short supply that taking a pointless university degree will be a complete waste of time and money. I’m already seeing people with four year degrees working on a production line because that pays better than anything else they can get.
Getting rid of most of the colleges/universities would be a great start on restoring social sanity.
The problem is these kids don’t know how to work with their hands or perform manual labor and all the short supply of labor is being filled by ILL Eagles crossing the border sans documents.
That young radical in her middle seat looks to be destined for work as a model for a tattoo artist. She better hope her parents are free and clear of a mortgage or she will lose her basement dwelling. I here there is plenty of curb space on Nancy Pelosi’s street.
And much of the plane she is sitting in is constructed of materials that come from oil as well as the glue that holds much of the aircraft together is from oil. If she were to live with product that don’t come from oil, we wouldn’t be seeing much of her.
There’s nothing much sadder than fading, previously hip tattoos on an aging woman, with or without sagging skin. At least the clown sitting next to her can grow the hair back.
It wouldn’t “bank and fall precipitously to the earth.” Airliners are good gliders and have done so several times when all the engines failed. The bigger problem is the landing options: if there is no suitable airport within gliding range, there’s likely to be major damage and maybe fatalities. Remember Sully’s airliner after the engines ate too many geese? It didn’t just fall down.
And what an uplifting scene at the end of the hearing in that movie, when Sully (Tom Hanks) convincingly proved that he. Simply. Had. No. Other. Choice!
.-
I don’t know what the soles of their shoes are made of but they’re leaving “dust” on the asphalt.
(I wonder if the driver was looking for a guardrail?)
So do I ! What bothers me is that none of the passing cars changed lines to prevent that car from going on. Would that have stopped that criminal driver? Hat off for the “hood protestors” !
.-
Quite right, the slogan on her T presumably says ‘just stop oil’, it doesn’t say ‘just stop avgas’ or ‘just stop kerosene’ or for that matter ‘just stop gasoline’ 😗 .
Chris- I’m sure you realize you’ve forgotten to include the sarcasm tag….and what the cracking tower at your local refinery uses as raw material, and further what fractions are produced from that raw material therein?
On the other hand, I have a women student who had 18 hours with a part 141 flight school who never did a stall or steep 720’s, and on and on. Just taking her money to ride around.
Ancient Wrench
October 2, 2023 9:06 pm
Should she not be deboarded for inappropriate clothing?
Come off it! These elite great thinkers and true believers feel a higher calling to spread the good word and make the community more aware whatever the personal cost to them mid-flight. It’s a tough gig but some elites have to do it.
Yeah, maybe, like, she got the tatts before she caught religion, before her great epiphany, before she became holy.
A bigot might say she ilooks hormonally unbalanced, with tendency to drink too much and friends who don’t protect her, but goad her on when she gets plastered.
Fascinating that they either don’t know what hypocrisy is or don’t care that they are manifesting it.
Protesters like these should be the first ones required to end their contributions to the demand for fossil fuels in their lives. That would be interesting.
BTW, I didn’t know there was an ocean emergency, but I guess they’re entitled to create those things as they go along.
Brought back a memory from long ago. I was working at our plant in Northern Ireland where we made Neoprene and Hypalon. It was a maintenance turnaround but ICI had a barge of Cl2 preparing to dock at our plant wharf near Derry or Londonderry, depending on your ancestry. The Greenpeace Echo 1 showed up and the fanatics donned their Neoprene wetsuits and hopped in their Hypalon Zodiacs and attacked the ICI barge. The ICI tug just headed back out to sea.
Afterward, the Echo docked in downtown Derry and the young idealistic warriors that disembarked reminded me of the rich kids from Johnson County I had attended college with and their actions after Kent State. No clue….
Because discussions about this may stray off into a discussion on facts in general, and as we all know; “Thou shalt not debate a skeptic!!!”
They may be a bit stupid, but they are all very well trained.
ianalexs
October 3, 2023 4:31 am
Sillies. “Just Stop Oil” applies to the activities of the hoi polloi. Everyone knows the avant garde are given special dispensation (sometimes uncharitably called self justification) because their weighty activities are crucial to saving humanity and the planet.
markgobell
October 3, 2023 7:03 am
I saw this on FB the other day. Just unbelievable ..
Slightly off topic but I thought maybe folk won’t mind me asking this on this this thread.
Would it be possible to clear up some confusion about the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and the amount that is agreed comes from man made activity.
No. The 0.04% CO2 is, as the article states, roughly correct but them it goes off the deep end. There is zero evidence that humans are responsible for 33% of that and quite a lot of evidence that we are responsible for far, far less. When many industries shut down during the Covid lockdowns, the models predicted a large and noticeable drop in estimated emmissions; observations showed that there was absolutely no change in CO2 levels either during or shortly after the lockdowns. This was the clearest indicator to date that the human contribution to CO2 levels have been hugely overestimated.
Thanks Richard. Sorry to ask just basic questions. I have read quite a bit but tend not to remember all of it and I want to be sure.
I read that the IPCC claims that mankind is responsible for 70% of the increase from 280 to 420 ppm. Elsewhere I read that we are responsible for all of it.
Not precisely. It’s impossible to separate out the CO2 from human sources and CO2 from natural sources but the example I gave above seems to indicate that the human contribution is negligible.
“Seeing” (even if only on photos and videos) the impressive forces at Nature’s disposal to manage the climate and its changes, how can man possibly influence more than 300 million square kilometers of water, the surface area of the oceans only? Sincerely, I find it ridiculous to think that man’s misdemeanors will have any sizable effect on the weather, let alone on the climate. .&.
If we cared for the environment and our fellow humans, we would be pumping as much CO2 into the atmosphere as possible – plants, trees, crops etc love it – they give us O2 to breathe in the process – CO2 is a life sustaining gas, anyone who hates it, hates life itself
At 200ppm and below plants die due to lack of CO2 for efficient photosynthesis – humans therefore also die from lack of O2 – do not let anyone tell you CO2 is dangerous or global temperature driving or climate altering – they are stupid or deceiving
“The atmosphere is roughly 0.04% CO2, but humans have contributed about 33% of that, not 3%, since 1850.”
I wonder if they’ve added all the annual estimated emissions together then used that number to get “33%” of the current 0.04%? If so, don’t they know that the same CO2 molecules doesn’t stay in the atmosphere? Plants and algae “breathe” it. It combines with precipitation and falls to Earth. Water in lakes, rivers and oceans can absorb it directly.
Current atmospheric CO2 levels are around 418ppm – optimal plant growth requires 800-1300ppm – we are actually in CO2 deficit to help feed a growing populace
I’d like to ask another question about the Greenhouse Effect if anyone could help please.
I understand the basic principles of the GE in that some heat reflected back from the earth’s surface is prevented from escaping into space because of the GHGs in the atmosphere.
To my thinking, surely it must follow, that these same GHGs, also prevent heat coming in from the sun in the first place. Unless the GHGs behave like a semi-conductor – this must be true surely.
I don’t know what the heat balance is – how much heat from the sun is prevented from getting through by these GHGs vs how much of it is trapped in our atmosphere once it has been reflected back form earth, but if I have understood the GE correctly, what would be the outcome of reducing GHGs vis it’s then reduced ability to block out or reflect back sunlight into space. Surely for every quant that we reduce GHGs then a quant of the sun’s heat would not be prevented from getting through and so would warm our atmosphere. Of course, this reduction in GHGs would also allow more reflected heat to escape, so what is the overall outcome?
I’ve probably got this very wrong but would appreciate some clarity please.
Here’s a very short version.: there’s differences in the energy going in and out.
Molecules in the atmosphere do not reflect heat, but radiation (moving energy). Each molecule will only reflect radiation at specific wavelengths along the electromagnetic spectrum depending on its structure.The radiation coming in from the sun is at different wavelengths than the radiation leaving the earth, so each molecule will be more effective at one than the other. That doesn’t fully answer the question, but gives you a starting point for finding it.
Molecules absorb and emit light of an energy corresponding to a change in energy level of either an electron or a vibrational mode. The energy levels are unique to each type of molecule. Thus you can see an emission or absorption spectra for CO2, for example by searching on line.
Mark, may I try?
The colour of a photon is related to its energy content. A blue photon is the same size as a red one, but carries more energy, because the electron orbital that gave birth to that photon, was closer to the nucleus, thus at lower energy level, thus took more energy to excite enough to birth a photon. To get the nergyu level thing, think of a brick dropped on your toe. To make it hurt more, you use more energy to lift it higher, yes? Further from the core. That paragraph is so full of quotation marks, I forego aforesaid punctuation…
Now, if a blue photon arrives, it may hit a green leaf, thus get absorbed, where it plays part in the wonderful magic that is photosynthesis. The energy spent on the plant’s (planet’s) metabolism, means any photon escaping, will be of a lower frequency. My mind wanted to be cute, and say ‘green’, but actually it is more infra red. You can literally think of them as heat waves. It would be incorrect, but serve well enough for back-of-napkin computations.
The climastrologists take one very narrow band of that infrared, specifically the colour that corresponds to the orbital distances in CO2, and then they fantabulate on how this “heat gets trapped in the atmosphere”. There are very bright people on this site that have published here extensive but easy-to-understand graphical and statistical evidence that makes good fun of that hypothesis.
I would include links, but this site’s search engine is too clever for itself by half…just ask it about absorption bands, maybe? May I add, the GIF animation of the ENSO currents causing El Nino La Nina is a spectacular treatise to the subject!
There is no reflected heat, the point of the thing is that there is this gas that absorbs energy (photons/ light) at a specific frequency, becoming warmer, and sharing that heat with the air around it, which then is supposed to act as a heater and beam back onto the surface, reheating the whole shebang. Mostly we obsess with that very narrow band of IR, which we measure at levels that cause theories, like the idea that the planet must give back every erg of energy it received from the sun, or cook.
The theory is stupid, it ignores convection at micro scale, and much of macro too, and it assumes some things using a methodology of measurement that is inconsistent with basic engineering principles.
The way I see the origins of this nonsense, is when some bloke, disappaointed by the obvious lack of Vestal Virgins in the atmosphere of Venus, it being, say, 400 degrees, and a carbonaceous content of, I dunno, 20%, starts a linear exptrapolation: So, if 20% carbon makes it 400 degrees, then one percent makes it 20 degrees hotter, right? Right?
Bull!
Besides, carbonaceous does not limit us to Carbon dioxide and Methane only, but the climastrologists have short attention spans. And energy turned into mass does not seem to make any part of their reality either…
I’m also no expert but the wavelengths of the light actually change so incoming radiation may pass through fairly easily but reflected radiation may be blocked as it has a different wavelength.
Water vapour is the most potent GH agent – life on earth wouldn’t fare well without water – the climate, biosphere and environment are a complex, dynamic mix that only Mother Nature understands at present – climate science is far from settled, only in the minds of those making money, research grants etc from it
Yes, they are as thick as mince or as hollow as straws – they would not last 2 days without the benefits oil, fossil fuels and nuclear power provide – they’d be reduced to blubbering, anxiety riddled, resilience bereft wrecks
SteveZ56
October 3, 2023 9:25 am
Question for this lady: Where does jet fuel come from?
… but not until we land.
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Maybe it’s not a jet but one of those wind-powered planes?
You know. The ones with those windmills at the end of the engines.
Typical leftist, high flying hypocrisy, with a contrail even!
I wonder if this person posseses the mental capacity to realize if the ‘oil’ did stop being delivered to the engine compressor, thrust would cease and the aircraft would bank and fall precipitously to the earth – with her in it. But, yea, wear you vitue signaling shirt on your way to the protest
Perhaps she’s a magic major at the University of Exeter.
I was wondering about Women’s Studies. I stupidly didn’t save the link, but I saw that taking even one grievance studies course would change a student into a woke idiot. Not quite that wording, but something like that.
Surprisingly, I couldn’t find a Women’s studies program at Exeter, except at the post-grad level.
Because of demographic collapse, college enrollments are declining. My mantra is, Defund the Universities. Reduced student numbers are already causing schools to close, so I may get my wish. Normally, I’d post a link but the one, rather long, story I read through had so much else wrong with it that I couldn’t conscience linking to it.
link
Labor will be in such short supply that taking a pointless university degree will be a complete waste of time and money. I’m already seeing people with four year degrees working on a production line because that pays better than anything else they can get.
Getting rid of most of the colleges/universities would be a great start on restoring social sanity.
“Surprisingly, I couldn’t find a Women’s studies program at Exeter, except at the post-grad level.”
And I’ll bet that not one of the professors or students know what a woman is.
The problem is these kids don’t know how to work with their hands or perform manual labor and all the short supply of labor is being filled by ILL Eagles crossing the border sans documents.
That young radical in her middle seat looks to be destined for work as a model for a tattoo artist. She better hope her parents are free and clear of a mortgage or she will lose her basement dwelling. I here there is plenty of curb space on Nancy Pelosi’s street.
You mean; University of Excreter?
Ain’t nothing but verbal diarrhea coming out of there for years now.
And much of the plane she is sitting in is constructed of materials that come from oil as well as the glue that holds much of the aircraft together is from oil. If she were to live with product that don’t come from oil, we wouldn’t be seeing much of her.
Not to mention the orange dye in the T-shirt
Actually you could be seeing too much of her depending on her clothing material!
I was going to say that, but you beat me to it!
What’s the chain of production and distribution of tattoo ink?
The ink itself is usually a mix of heavy metals and oil-derived products in water. Just stop oil should’ve stopped the tattoos!
There’s nothing much sadder than fading, previously hip tattoos on an aging woman, with or without sagging skin. At least the clown sitting next to her can grow the hair back.
Depending on where it is, that cute little butterfly, overtime, can start to look like a vulture.
thrust would cease and the aircraft would
bank and fall precipitouslyglide gently to the earthPlanes don’t fall unless the pilot stalls it and loses control. They glide.
But not always to an airport. Especially if she’s headed overseas!
Oops – that looks like a regional airliner. She’s not headed overseas.
Stinkerp- Maybe a bit of wishful thinking on my part, appreciate the correction!
It wouldn’t “bank and fall precipitously to the earth.” Airliners are good gliders and have done so several times when all the engines failed. The bigger problem is the landing options: if there is no suitable airport within gliding range, there’s likely to be major damage and maybe fatalities. Remember Sully’s airliner after the engines ate too many geese? It didn’t just fall down.
And what an uplifting scene at the end of the hearing in that movie, when Sully (Tom Hanks) convincingly proved that he. Simply. Had. No. Other. Choice!
.-
The green man-bun covers up for any sin.
Ink derived from fruit skins no doubt..
Ink inserted into the fruit’s skin, maybe?
“Just Stop Oil” for you. She’s perfectly fine with her consumption.
Only the best and brightest in this movement…
Speaking of climate protesters, here is a short video from Germany for those of you who enjoy riding on the hood of a car while it is still moving…..
https://youtu.be/W_Y3QBZMkk0
I love it.
I don’t know what the soles of their shoes are made of but they’re leaving “dust” on the asphalt.
(I wonder if the driver was looking for a guardrail?)
So do I ! What bothers me is that none of the passing cars changed lines to prevent that car from going on. Would that have stopped that criminal driver? Hat off for the “hood protestors” !
.-
Poor thing.
Quite right, the slogan on her T presumably says ‘just stop oil’, it doesn’t say ‘just stop avgas’ or ‘just stop kerosene’ or for that matter ‘just stop gasoline’ 😗 .
Chris- I’m sure you realize you’ve forgotten to include the sarcasm tag….and what the cracking tower at your local refinery uses as raw material, and further what fractions are produced from that raw material therein?
Regards,
MCR
It should read; “Just stop me”.
Wouldn’t she be in rapture if the pilot took her advice on her flight at 30,000 ft and just turned off the juice to the engines?
As a former flight instructor, I’m still trying to figure out how you can train anyone with just four flights. These people are just . . . .
On the other hand, I have a women student who had 18 hours with a part 141 flight school who never did a stall or steep 720’s, and on and on. Just taking her money to ride around.
Should she not be deboarded for inappropriate clothing?
Good thing she didn’t glue her hand to the seat in front !
Free trip to next aircraft destination. 🙂
Story Tip
This looks interesting
More Real-World Evidence Indicates ‘Trace Gases Such As CO2 Don’t Have Any Influence…On Climate’ (notrickszone.com)
“It’s impossible to have a rational conversation with an irrational person.”
Yep: this is why emailing our MP is pointless. I know, I know: I’ve done it more times than hot breakfasts!
For someone determined to stop oil, she wears an armful of ads for oil based ink permanently pushed in to her, to show she loves it actually.
Or maybe she is just a plain simple minded hypocrite?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21722139/#:~:text=Most%20tattoos%20consist%20of%20black,black%20with%20polycyclic%20aromatic%20hydrocarbons).
Come off it! These elite great thinkers and true believers feel a higher calling to spread the good word and make the community more aware whatever the personal cost to them mid-flight. It’s a tough gig but some elites have to do it.
Yeah, maybe, like, she got the tatts before she caught religion, before her great epiphany, before she became holy.
A bigot might say she ilooks hormonally unbalanced, with tendency to drink too much and friends who don’t protect her, but goad her on when she gets plastered.
I don’t know about hormonally, but mentally unbalanced is obvious.
A higher calling to narcissism, hence the tattoos.
After a quick look round…. there are none of those working class types. Phew.
Just stop economy/coach class.
She could always check in as baggage and go “cattle class” in the hold..
In similar vein, the Surfers Against Sewage protesting about the Rosebank decision are seemingly unaware that more happens to oil than combustion:
Idiots
Fascinating that they either don’t know what hypocrisy is or don’t care that they are manifesting it.
Protesters like these should be the first ones required to end their contributions to the demand for fossil fuels in their lives. That would be interesting.
BTW, I didn’t know there was an ocean emergency, but I guess they’re entitled to create those things as they go along.
Brought back a memory from long ago. I was working at our plant in Northern Ireland where we made Neoprene and Hypalon. It was a maintenance turnaround but ICI had a barge of Cl2 preparing to dock at our plant wharf near Derry or Londonderry, depending on your ancestry. The Greenpeace Echo 1 showed up and the fanatics donned their Neoprene wetsuits and hopped in their Hypalon Zodiacs and attacked the ICI barge. The ICI tug just headed back out to sea.
Afterward, the Echo docked in downtown Derry and the young idealistic warriors that disembarked reminded me of the rich kids from Johnson County I had attended college with and their actions after Kent State. No clue….
They’d be hard put to surf on a millpond like that, so they were probably looking for something to while away the time 🙂
Whale Oil Beef Hooked!
Oh look. No alarmist stooges appear to defend this hypocrite. !
Why would that be ?? 😉
Because discussions about this may stray off into a discussion on facts in general, and as we all know; “Thou shalt not debate a skeptic!!!”
They may be a bit stupid, but they are all very well trained.
Sillies. “Just Stop Oil” applies to the activities of the hoi polloi. Everyone knows the avant garde are given special dispensation (sometimes uncharitably called self justification) because their weighty activities are crucial to saving humanity and the planet.
I saw this on FB the other day. Just unbelievable ..
Slightly off topic but I thought maybe folk won’t mind me asking this on this this thread.
Would it be possible to clear up some confusion about the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and the amount that is agreed comes from man made activity.
This USA Today article for example :
Humans are responsible for a significant amount of CO2 in the atmosphere | Fact check https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/06/26/humans-have-significant-impact-on-atmospheric-co2-fact-check/70278653007/
Are these figures correct?
Thank you
MG
No. The 0.04% CO2 is, as the article states, roughly correct but them it goes off the deep end. There is zero evidence that humans are responsible for 33% of that and quite a lot of evidence that we are responsible for far, far less. When many industries shut down during the Covid lockdowns, the models predicted a large and noticeable drop in estimated emmissions; observations showed that there was absolutely no change in CO2 levels either during or shortly after the lockdowns. This was the clearest indicator to date that the human contribution to CO2 levels have been hugely overestimated.
Thanks Richard. Sorry to ask just basic questions. I have read quite a bit but tend not to remember all of it and I want to be sure.
I read that the IPCC claims that mankind is responsible for 70% of the increase from 280 to 420 ppm. Elsewhere I read that we are responsible for all of it.
Do we actually know how much of that increase is down to man’s activities?
Not precisely. It’s impossible to separate out the CO2 from human sources and CO2 from natural sources but the example I gave above seems to indicate that the human contribution is negligible.
“Seeing” (even if only on photos and videos) the impressive forces at Nature’s disposal to manage the climate and its changes, how can man possibly influence more than 300 million square kilometers of water, the surface area of the oceans only? Sincerely, I find it ridiculous to think that man’s misdemeanors will have any sizable effect on the weather, let alone on the climate.
.&.
If we cared for the environment and our fellow humans, we would be pumping as much CO2 into the atmosphere as possible – plants, trees, crops etc love it – they give us O2 to breathe in the process – CO2 is a life sustaining gas, anyone who hates it, hates life itself
Yep. Understood. Thanks.
At 200ppm and below plants die due to lack of CO2 for efficient photosynthesis – humans therefore also die from lack of O2 – do not let anyone tell you CO2 is dangerous or global temperature driving or climate altering – they are stupid or deceiving
Thanks Energywise. I have posted on the near plant starvation levels of CO2 at 280ppm.
The fact check of the CO2 numbers stated:
“The atmosphere is roughly 0.04% CO2, but humans have contributed about 33% of that, not 3%, since 1850.”
I wonder if they’ve added all the annual estimated emissions together then used that number to get “33%” of the current 0.04%?
If so, don’t they know that the same CO2 molecules doesn’t stay in the atmosphere?
Plants and algae “breathe” it. It combines with precipitation and falls to Earth. Water in lakes, rivers and oceans can absorb it directly.
So far, I’ve read that the man made portion of CO2 is 3%, 33%, 70% and all of it …
Current atmospheric CO2 levels are around 418ppm – optimal plant growth requires 800-1300ppm – we are actually in CO2 deficit to help feed a growing populace
Got it. Thanks.
I’d like to ask another question about the Greenhouse Effect if anyone could help please.
I understand the basic principles of the GE in that some heat reflected back from the earth’s surface is prevented from escaping into space because of the GHGs in the atmosphere.
To my thinking, surely it must follow, that these same GHGs, also prevent heat coming in from the sun in the first place. Unless the GHGs behave like a semi-conductor – this must be true surely.
I don’t know what the heat balance is – how much heat from the sun is prevented from getting through by these GHGs vs how much of it is trapped in our atmosphere once it has been reflected back form earth, but if I have understood the GE correctly, what would be the outcome of reducing GHGs vis it’s then reduced ability to block out or reflect back sunlight into space. Surely for every quant that we reduce GHGs then a quant of the sun’s heat would not be prevented from getting through and so would warm our atmosphere. Of course, this reduction in GHGs would also allow more reflected heat to escape, so what is the overall outcome?
I’ve probably got this very wrong but would appreciate some clarity please.
MG
Here’s a very short version.: there’s differences in the energy going in and out.
Molecules in the atmosphere do not reflect heat, but radiation (moving energy). Each molecule will only reflect radiation at specific wavelengths along the electromagnetic spectrum depending on its structure.The radiation coming in from the sun is at different wavelengths than the radiation leaving the earth, so each molecule will be more effective at one than the other. That doesn’t fully answer the question, but gives you a starting point for finding it.
Thanks nutmeg. What is the mechanism for the wavelength of the reflected radiation being different from the sun’s incoming wavelength?
What causes that?
Molecules absorb and emit light of an energy corresponding to a change in energy level of either an electron or a vibrational mode. The energy levels are unique to each type of molecule. Thus you can see an emission or absorption spectra for CO2, for example by searching on line.
Thanks Loren
Mark, may I try?
The colour of a photon is related to its energy content. A blue photon is the same size as a red one, but carries more energy, because the electron orbital that gave birth to that photon, was closer to the nucleus, thus at lower energy level, thus took more energy to excite enough to birth a photon. To get the nergyu level thing, think of a brick dropped on your toe. To make it hurt more, you use more energy to lift it higher, yes? Further from the core. That paragraph is so full of quotation marks, I forego aforesaid punctuation…
Now, if a blue photon arrives, it may hit a green leaf, thus get absorbed, where it plays part in the wonderful magic that is photosynthesis. The energy spent on the plant’s (planet’s) metabolism, means any photon escaping, will be of a lower frequency. My mind wanted to be cute, and say ‘green’, but actually it is more infra red. You can literally think of them as heat waves. It would be incorrect, but serve well enough for back-of-napkin computations.
The climastrologists take one very narrow band of that infrared, specifically the colour that corresponds to the orbital distances in CO2, and then they fantabulate on how this “heat gets trapped in the atmosphere”. There are very bright people on this site that have published here extensive but easy-to-understand graphical and statistical evidence that makes good fun of that hypothesis.
I would include links, but this site’s search engine is too clever for itself by half…just ask it about absorption bands, maybe? May I add, the GIF animation of the ENSO currents causing El Nino La Nina is a spectacular treatise to the subject!
Splendid cilo. Thank you so much.
Does my wild speculation here have any merit?
Do the GHGs prevent incoming radiation from heating the atmosphere in a similar way to preventing the earth’s reflected heat escaping?
There is no reflected heat, the point of the thing is that there is this gas that absorbs energy (photons/ light) at a specific frequency, becoming warmer, and sharing that heat with the air around it, which then is supposed to act as a heater and beam back onto the surface, reheating the whole shebang. Mostly we obsess with that very narrow band of IR, which we measure at levels that cause theories, like the idea that the planet must give back every erg of energy it received from the sun, or cook.
The theory is stupid, it ignores convection at micro scale, and much of macro too, and it assumes some things using a methodology of measurement that is inconsistent with basic engineering principles.
The way I see the origins of this nonsense, is when some bloke, disappaointed by the obvious lack of Vestal Virgins in the atmosphere of Venus, it being, say, 400 degrees, and a carbonaceous content of, I dunno, 20%, starts a linear exptrapolation: So, if 20% carbon makes it 400 degrees, then one percent makes it 20 degrees hotter, right? Right?
Bull!
Besides, carbonaceous does not limit us to Carbon dioxide and Methane only, but the climastrologists have short attention spans. And energy turned into mass does not seem to make any part of their reality either…
I’m also no expert but the wavelengths of the light actually change so incoming radiation may pass through fairly easily but reflected radiation may be blocked as it has a different wavelength.
Thanks Richard.
Water vapour is the most potent GH agent – life on earth wouldn’t fare well without water – the climate, biosphere and environment are a complex, dynamic mix that only Mother Nature understands at present – climate science is far from settled, only in the minds of those making money, research grants etc from it
Thanks Energywise.
Yes, they are as thick as mince or as hollow as straws – they would not last 2 days without the benefits oil, fossil fuels and nuclear power provide – they’d be reduced to blubbering, anxiety riddled, resilience bereft wrecks
Question for this lady: Where does jet fuel come from?
Pixie dust.
Pixy dust? PIXY DUST??
Evveryboddy noes, petril cums from unicorn farts!
Petril might but to get some Avgas ya gotta shake down a loada pixies!
I believe the term is “shake off”?
The new deplorables.
Pretty sure that is a ‘Please Stop the Hypocrisy” T-shirt.