The Cleveland Clinic defines “mania” as: “…an extremely unstable euphoric or irritable mood along with an excess activity or energy level, excessively rapid thought and speech, reckless behavior and feeling of invincibility.
We’ve seen the so-called “Trump Derangement Syndrome” exhibited by the left, apparently Mann’s manic tweeting suggests he’s suffering from could be called “Curry Derangement Syndrome.” How else can you explain the last few days of obsessively tweeting and retweeting from others about her?
Here’s a few examples.
Yes–this is Judith Curry:
and yes, this too:
Get help buddy.
Mikey doesn’t like anything.
Even himself. The amount of self-loathing it takes to be so afraid of admitting wrong is breath-taking.
Mikey no likey.
As a selp apponted co-founder of the discipline, Mikey doesn’t like anything that contradicts the high principles of Scientossoffy.
Not even Gaia herself has the authority to contradict the projections of Scientossoffy.
Show of hands…..
The book A Disgrace to the Profession says it all. Steyn’s 2015 publication is about Mann and the damage he has done to science.
Here are some other good books which show Mann for what he is:
Climategate by Brian Susskin
The Hockey Stick Illusion by A.W. Montford
Climategate: The CRUTape Letters by Steven Mosher and Thomas W. Fuller
The Delinquent Teenager by Donna Laframboise
Here is some homework. Unfortunately only for the real clever people
https://breadonthewater.co.za/2022/12/15/an-evaluation-of-the-greenhouse-effect-by-carbon-dioxide/
Let me know if I made a mistake….
(inline comment added by Anthony)
FROM ANTHONY: YES, YOU MADE A MISTAKE. I have told you time and again to stop spamming WUWT with off-topic comments pointing to your ramblings on your website. We are not here to be your personal traffic generator.
You’re banned – Anthony
Your personal experiences recounted to explain GH effect don’t connect with someone with memories from New England winter. I remember and associate turning off the shower with cold and wet.
I’m not saying anything’s wrong, I’m just saying you’re describing something in a way that may evoke a different reaction from someone from a different environment.
Nice. This takes me right back to Organic Chemistry, second year. You have the IR graphs from CO2, methane, O2 and H2O.The peaks are the bottoms and the total absorption is the area below the top. H2O has way more absorption than CO2 on this graph–which would not take into account that water vapor is roughly 1 to 5% of the atmosphere, while CO2 is .042% currently. That’s at least 20 times as much. The CO2 might have a net warming effect by slowing the radiation of heat out from the Earth, but it would not be detectable against 20 times as much of a molecule that absorbs about 9 or 10 times more energy (my eyeball estimate).
Not to mention that the vast majority of the .042 is naturally occurring and there isn’t much we can do about that – so we are being told to spend trillions and trillions of dollars to prevent Ron remove a minuscule amount of CO2 from the atmosphere as if that tiny amount somehow magically controls the atmosphere- defies all common sense
Well said. It does defy common sense.
So our leaders don’t have common sense, or they ignore common sense on purpose. Either way, it ends up being harmful to the rest of us.
We need to change our leaders.
Don’t forget that, from the Beer-Lambert Law, the absorption/concentration curve is logarithmic, meaning that each additional increment of CO2 is less effective than the precedent.
1/20 times 1/10 equals 0.5%.
Temperature tries to measure energy, by Kelvin on most science scales
0.5% times 300K equals 1.5K equals 1.5C
My numbers aren’t intended to support GHG theory, only to say that IF someone were worried about a few C change, THEN ladylifegrows’s numbers don’t really move the argument.
If anyone throws around numbers and science words with sufficient confidence, then the numbers and words can seem to have meaning to others with equal or less knowledge, or the numbers and words can seem to have meaning to others who would like to agree with the confident thesis.
“You’re banned – Anthony”
Smart move.
Wow, still pushing the hockey stick he disgraced the Ivy League with. No Roman Warm period, the Medieval Warm period is highlighted in pink– a slight decline–How did it get its name?
As to “fringe”–WUWT used to be the world’s most viewed climate site, and still very high quality. Try to find it, or any other skeptic site in ANY search engine. Then try other polaried things like Donald Trump or election fraud, or Vaccines. Search two dozen pages in each search engine. Notice that there are really only about four pages and then they keep repeating.
Then comes the real kicker–try something innocent like “pancakes.” You are not going to get 112,769 results or anything like that. Same four pages followed by repeats.
So yeah, Truth tellers like Curry, or Jo Nova, or actual clinicians like Dr. Carrie Madej, or world-renowned people like Dr. Joseph Mercola–nope, can’t find them unless you already know who they are. The censors can call this “fringe,” but it is genocidal censorship.
Anybody know somebody who could design a real search engine from scratch? We need one.
”Wow, still pushing the hockey stick”
Mann without his precious hockey stick graph is like a monkey without it’s banana.
Yes we really do need a better search engine maybe a crawler ? I don’t know . I have done many tests and encountered no results on really innocent stuff because it some how gets associated with a “ conservative” person or narrative. Example: I like boats and ships. I heard so does Tucker Carlson. I went on Google and asked what yachts does Tucker Carlson own.( and I know from personal contacts he does own some yachts.) If it is a liberal hollywood type their will be many pics of their yachts with a expose .For Tucker the Google search returns only unrelated MSM hate speech against Tucker. Most completely inaccurate or taken out of context.
https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=watts+up+with+that&segment=startpage.brave
First item returned…
If you look at Wiki’s entry on WUWT, you may well be horrified by what you see. Luckily the behind-the-scenes shenanigans are available for interested spectators to view, just so we can tell just how neutral that article actually is. By extension, the “climate denial” sections of Wiki brings its entire corpus into disrepute.
Examples: WUWT was moved from the category “Climate change skepticism and denial” to the category “Climate change denial” in 2020. In fact the entire category of “Climate change skepticism and denial” went out the window in that particular purge. If you search “Climate change skepticism” in Wiki the first returned entry is “Climate change denial.” I haven’t read that entry for a while, but when I last did, it was horrifyingly biased.
It appears that there is no longer such a thing as “climate change skepticism.” Any who question any aspect of “Teh Science” or any aspect of the increasingly deranged policies that are being inflicted on Western populations in the name of “Teh Science” are now cast out. Skepticism was once praiseworthy; now it is despised.
2021: “Singer is now stiff, so adjust tense” in the Wiki revision page for WUWT – comment and edit by one William M. Connelly. That comment is despicable.
All they want to do is win. They do not want to find out the truth.
His namesake, one William Connolly, is far more amusing.
My apologies – the Wiki editor’s name is spelt “Connolley”.
I’m sorry, DuckDuckGo pulls in WUWT first, even by just “w”
Searching for “wuwt” gives me the first hit using both Google and Bing.
“WUWT used to be the world’s most viewed climate site”
Not any longer?
Here is a new one. I think you will find that this one does what you want.
https://luxxle.com/
https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/629817304/luxxle-search-engine-adds-freshness-lens-to-allow-users-to-order-content-chronologically
I don’t understand why someone would attempt to argue using purposefully curated charts and adjusted analytical data. The only people capable of hearing the argument will be unable to not-see the purposeful curation and adjustments and ask “why?”.
Charles, you have outdone yourself with this satiric post.
Judith is a respected acquaintance who kindly provided a foreword to my ebook Blowing Smoke. Mann sued Tim Ball, lost, and shirked payment. He sued Stein, and seven years later still tied up in DC SLAPP morass.
Mann:
I went and got the exact You Tube coordinates for all WUWTers. Go to You Tube, and in the general search bar just type ‘Mann Curry denier’. It is still the first congressional testimony video snippet that comes up as of now—of course with rampant on line censorship as revealed by the Twitter Files, that might soon change after this comment gets discovered.
I wonder how many FBI agents are scanning content at You Tube?
They are probably in all the social media companies, just like they were with Twitter, actively censoring things that didn’t follow the leftwing narrative.
The FBI and the “Justice” Department need serious reforming. They have been turned into tools for the Democrat Party to use to attack their political opponents. This is what dictatorships do.
The CIA are who does most of the dirty work. Editorial control being a big part of psyops. They have been protecting globalist interests not the American people. They are not above taking out heads of state who threaten the status quo. Kennedy being an example for any leaders who might think of taking them on.
Regarding Invention 1 (centered PCA), did he patent it?
Nope. I hold 13 US patents in four areas, several without co-inventors. You cannot patent something that can be proven not to work. If you somehow succeed, it will be invalidated after.
I can think of several federal agencies that should have their “patent” revoked!
After being reamed by McIntyre and McKittrick, the fact that Mann is still publishing shows the corruption of “climate science”
Absolutely!
Mann should have no support from the legitimate science community, after all that has taken place.
That he still has supporters just shows the corruption of climate science. It’s not about science.
Penn State supports him simply because he is a revenue generator. Same could be said of many other universities supporting pseudo-scientists in the fields of “climate change” and “climate change effects.” I might assert that practically nobody in those fields of interest in higher education research can be trusted. They are a scientific cargo cult, fueled by federal, NGO and private foundation money. Any honest scientist is soon either corrupted or excommunicated.
Well, if professional sports worked the same way as “science” does these days, Lance Armstrong would still be pedaling away in the Tour de France! Sad, very sad….
He bashes Judith Curry because she’s a powerful voice of reason that threatens their careers. They probably want her dead. It’s a good thing we don’t live in the Soviet Union.
Yet. They are working on fixing that problem.
He also hates women more educated than he.
“He also hates women more educated than he.”
As that is pretty much the entire population of women, he must hate women. I’m guessing Greta is a notable exception….
I was pre-blocked by Mann and Hayhoe on Twitter before I ever had a chance to laugh in their faces, Does anyone have their phone numbers? Love to leave a message.
“pre-blocked”
That sounds serious! I’m not a Twitter user so am not familiar with being “pre-blocked”. How does that work?
Gotta love it when he proclaims “Here is what the science says” and shows a ridiculous modeling result. No science there. Alarmism personified.
and quotes Wikipedia…
He’s arrogant. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room.
Yippeeee!: A Mikey Mann bashing thread.
I’ll be back to read more comments. Yay!!!
Regards,
Bob
Researchers are switching from rats to climastrologers like Mann for medical research. Why? Because you don’t get as attached to them and there are some things a rat won’t do.
Anger is a common response from ideological idiots. They don’t like being shown how stupid they are.
Interesting that Progressives appear to be incapable of acknowledging mistakes and learning from them. A main way that progress happens..
They are not progressives, they are radicals. They are not looking to make things better, they are looking to tear everything down. That’s what radicals do.
“Interesting that Progressives appear to be incapable of acknowledging mistakes and learning from them.”
Well, Trump is also incapable of acknowledging mistakes. And yes, I voted for him.
I always had a suspicion the Mann was a rather shallow, simplistic, pathetic individual and this now confirms it beyond any question.
Yeah, Mann acts like his bastardized Hockey Stick hasn’t been refuted.
Forcibly blocking thousands of years of human development based on an absurd
modelmodeller-derived counterfactual is preposterous.After the “hockey stick” stunt, astonishing he is even employable.
Says a lot about academia
Yes, it does. And nothing good.
And they (meaning the powers that be) wonder why so many people don’t trust various scientific institutions, especially with regards to climate and medicine. It’s pretty darned hard to trust someone (or some entity) that has been proven to lie and obfuscate facts.
Mickey Mann’s ONLY claim to fame is as an incompetent non-scientist, trying to cover up his fakery and incompetence by being a mouthy bully.
Hint Mickey.
ANYONE with an ounce of integrity or common-sense knows what a gormless, pustulent prat you are, and IS LAUGHING AT YOU.
Far too nice, b
“This is what the science says”
“There was a slow drifting down of temperatures as this interglacial warmth had peaked”
Actually, that’s what the junk science changed to after it was hijacked for the political agenda 3+ decades ago.
Below is what the authentic climate science stated BEFORE it was hijacked and it has never changed……even though mainstream science has gravitated towards the junk science.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/88287/#88297
Over 100 studies from the Medieval Warm Period, most of which show the planet was this warm or warmer 1,000 years ago. It was also this warm 2,000 years ago during the Roman Warm Period and also just over 3,000 years ago, during the Minoan Warm period.
Warmer yet in the higher latitudes of North America during the Holocene Climate Optimum from 9,000 to 5,000 years ago, when there was likely less Arctic Sea Ice.
Medieval Warm Period Project:
http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/mwpp.php
The irony is, when confronted with what the science said, Mann didn’t like what the data said and created his own “method.”
He also used Skeptical Science as a source in n attempt to debunk Curry.
Hall of fame climate charlatan, John Cook that runs Skeptical Science, is one of the few people/sources that can bamboozle readers with convincing sounding junk science that
competes with Mann for doing the most damage to authentic climate science and real skeptical science in history.
Cook’s site should be called ANTI-Skeptical Science.
Or called Anti Authentic Science.
Tragically, in this discussion we are all doing what Mann does to Curry…..bashing somebody that disagrees with us. It’s very hard to resist for obvious reasons but still hypocritical.
I think the motto of that site is “skeptical of climate skeptics”- so I asked there if it’s OK to be skeptical of people who are skeptical of climate skeptics- and they warned me any more comments like that and I’d be blocked.
No, it’s not hypocritical to bash Mann. His Bad Science has cost humanity TRILLIONS of dollars in unnecessary, wasteful spending trying to control CO2.
His pronouncements of climate doom have struck fear in the hearts of countless children, along with millions of adults.
His bastardization of the global temperature record has caused tremedous damage to humanity and it’s not over yet.
So Michael Mann and his Bad Science deserve criticism. He doesn’t get enough criticism for putting us in the postion we are in now. All based on the bogus climate history he promotes.
Moved to proper post
Are you denying the claim that temperatures have decreased since the end of the Holocene Optimum, or agreeing with it?
Mann cannot acknowledge the Medieval Warm Period in his science because his science predates the Neanderthal period ha ha
Because M. Mann is one of the founders of the ClimateCult™ and National policy is to support CAGW, his University likely has benefited (and continues to do so) by grants and research contracts. This means some funds go directly to the university accounts, some for equipment and travel, some for salaries, and a lot to graduate assistants.
Someone currently employed in a university or sponsoring agency might provide the general outlines of funding projects, including the “overhead” applied to salaries. My recollections are from pre-1974.
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There is a word or name for that technique.
Where a boy who is repeatedly turned down or ignored by his ‘intended’ (because he is dull, boring and lacking GSOH) resorts to a barrage of insults.
The thinking being that she will submit to him simply in order to get the insults to stop. Appeasement in a nutshell.
And if *your* insults are not original, insulting or numerous enough, you call in all your friends to lay on some more.
i.e. You appeal to authority and consensus
Chances are they are all just as dull, boring and devoid of original thought as you are and their helping you means you might help them get laid at some future time.
Are we now understanding where all the babies have gone.
In The World Of Girls, being dull boring unoriginal and forgetful is insulting to them and precisely what will see you being ignored and counted out of the gene pool ##
Thus: Where do you even start to unravel the wrongness….. how did anyone think such a technique could ever work on a long term basis.
Worse: That the people claiming to be original, agile-minded and intelligent (they think their insults are ‘clever’) repeatedly demonstrate the exact opposite – as seen in M Mann
Its all wrong
And that describes Climate Science through and through.
It’s wrong wrong wrong and wrong
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You gonna love this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12078943/Pope-begs-young-Italians-babies-warned-country-faces-demographic-winter.html
The Pope of all people – this particular pope being the very one most obsessed by Climate Change
how do you explain the connection when it’s his current and everyone else’s previous fear mongering about climate that helped stop the babies
Why are so many people now So Thick
Thanks Peta, the article you referenced is worth reading because it really highlights the hypocrisy and severe lack of critical thinking by this bunch ( of virtue signalers- literally!)
Ahh Mikey, you King of SLAPP lawsuits, you not so wiley old fraud. How did that lawsuit against Dr Tim Ball go? Have you paid those court costs the judge ordered when you lost. Didn’t think so.
People just love Judith Curry, not so much you. Hope you don’t get over it.
They accuse her of “climate denial.”
That sorta gives away the whole thing.
This is a religion.
Yep, following the actual real science and real data…
…is “climate denial”,,.
… despite the fact that nothing we are said to “deny” is backed by any scientific evidence whatsoever.
Still no answer to the question…
“what is “denied” that they can provide solid reliable scientific evidence for ?”
climate
denialheresyOh, Judith showed what Mann is a long time ago in front of a Congressional committee. A bald faced liar.
https://youtu.be/DPUMztYMuis
Lying in front of Congress.
Might as well, he does that to everybody else, too.
What a nutter.
It’s like this nut-zero climate changers. First will come the reality and collapse of your lunar prescriptions-
Green energy flag-bearer South Australia says gas must ‘stand behind’ renewable switch (msn.com)
and then will follow the examination of your poxy proxies and interpretations. Anyone with a modicum of scientific technical and economic knowledge should get off now.
The article states that ‘renewables’ met 70% of South Australia’s energy needs last year. These people have no understanding of just how little energy wind and solar supply. South Australia has around 70% ‘installed capacity’ but the actual energy output averaged out over a year is pretty pathetic. They do not understand capacity factors or how seriously inefficient weather dependent forms of energy are. With NSW shutting down coal-fired power plants they will be hard pressed looking to us to utilise interconnectors. Just as well they only have a population of 1.8 million.
We had a death out here in Central West NSW last week as a direct result of a blackout. An elderly woman who had been managing her health issues well with technology that depended on electricity, died during that blackout due to equipment failure.
Michael Mann and his ilk are the ‘scientists’ being heard by global governments unfortunately. They speak the ‘agenda’ and it keeps the money flowing. It seems that more and more actual scientists are speaking out against the agenda in recent times. We need to support the likes of Judith Curry when they speak what we know to be truth. We need to be more vocal in speaking out against climate lies and propaganda.
The article states that ‘renewables’ met 70% of South Australia’s energy needs last year
Those percentages bandied around work like this. There have been times like an odd Sunday when renewables provide over 100% of SA demand and the media ooh and aah over it. What they’re ignoring is SA has a certain aggregate demand over time and those output percentages proffered reflect net generation given SA can dump max solar and wind on the NEM grid whilst it provides FF backup any time it’s required. Once the eastern States catch up with such system gaming the fallacy of composition becomes obvious. Why the State Labor Govt are making those rumblings about preserving local gas now.
It’s the same deal with California and beggar they neighbour green virtue signalling until your neighbours get to virtue signal likewise –
California duck curve now a canyon as grid load vanishes in the midday sun | RenewEconomy
This is the tree-ring circus guy, right?
So surely he knows it’s all a fraud. He’s one of the ones who figured out how to sell it to Congress. Made a lot of them quite wealthy. Probably made himself wealthy, too.
I suppose if you don’t have a conscience, you don’t mind doing immeasurable harm to your fellow Americans if it makes you wealthy and has you hobnobbing with Congress.
Is the comedic website ‘skeptical science’, created by a professional cartoonist and dressed up like a scientific site, complete with fanatical, obsessive hit men patrolling its comments section with the brief to hysterically shout down any genuine inquiries, what Michael Mann considers ‘peer reviewed’ standard?
If so, evidently it’s founder, the professional cartoonist John Cook, no longer maintains it and has left it to rot on the vine.
As a complete climate newbie many years ago it was the first site I headed for as ‘skeptical science’ sounded, well, skeptical.
For just asking straightforward questions I was attacked mercilessly, like a steak dropped into a pool of ravenous piranha’s.
“As a complete climate newbie many years ago it was the first site I headed for as ‘skeptical science’ sounded, well, skeptical.”
Same for me- I posted the following comment elsewhere in this thread:
I think the motto of that site is “skeptical of climate skeptics”- so I asked there if it’s OK to be skeptical of people who are skeptical of climate skeptics- and they warned me any more comments like that and I’d be blocked.
I visited WUWT after my experience expecting much the same reception but couldn’t have been more wrong. So many helpful people patiently explaining things to me with humour and good grace.
Back then I wrote …
It was an icky dicky, tricky Mickey, cherry picky hockey stickey, that Mann gave to the IPCC
Story tip
It seems we missed this moan in the Observer (the Guardian on a Sunday)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/14/climate-crisis-deniers-target-scientists-abuse-musk-twitter
Ben Pile did a twitter thread about it
https://twitter.com/clim8resistance/status/1657873031681785859
As Corporal Jones (Dad’s Army) used to say
They don’t like it up ’em, the fuzzy wuzzies.
Dr. Mann criticizing another scientist! He has a poor memory.
Mann claimed to be a 2007 Nobel Peace Prize winner and a Nobel Laureate in a defamation lawsuit filed in US Federal court. Mann lied in US Federal Court when he twice claimed in his Complaint that he was a Nobel Laureate. Documents are filed in Federal Court under Rule 11 where the party filing the document must make a reasonable effort to make sure what is stated in the document is true (factual statements).
10/24/2012 Complaint filed. Mann v. Competitive Enterprise Institute
Description: Defamation action brought by climate scientist against authors and publishers of articles about scientist’s work
From the Complaint:
“2. Dr. Mann is a climate scientist whose research is focused on global warming. Along with other researchers, he was one of the first document steady rise in surface temperatures during the 20th century and the increase in measured temperatures in 1950s. As a result of this research, Dr. Mann and his colleagues were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
5. It is one thing to engage in discussion about debatable topic. It is quite another to attempt to discredit totally validated scientific research through professional and personal defamation of a Nobel Prize recipient…”
In Dec 2012, the IPCC sent out a memo to key people who participated in writing AR1, AR2, AR3, AR4 including Mann telling everyone it was incorrect to claim to be a winner. Months later, Mann’s attorneys filed a “correction” on the claims.
Mann continued to allow reporters and publishers to praise him as a 2007 Nobel Peace Prize winner. Mann is just one of hundreds of “climate scientists” who have made the claim. Worse, the IPCC still uses scientists who made the claim to write reports.
(Recycling to help save the planet from Mann.)
Stopping by Yamal One Snowy Evening
What tree this is, I think I know.
It grew in Yamal some time ago.
Yamal 06 I’m placing here
In hopes a hockey stick will grow.
But McIntyre did think it queer
No tree, the stick did disappear!
Desperate measures I did take
To make that stick reappear.
There were some corings from a lake.
And other data I could bake.
I’ll tweak my model more until
Another hockey stick I’ll make!
I changed a line into a hill!
I can’t say how I was thrilled!
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.
Then Climategate. I’m feeling ill.
Yamal was Briffa’s baby, not Mann’s.
This speaks volumes as to the degree that climate and related sciences have been bastardized by politics and money. You have a so-called scientist who goes after critics of his publications like a rabid dog; a scientist whose publications have already been de-bunked.
Now take a look at other sciences where money and politics aren’t much of a factor – physics, astronomy, paleontology, archaeology….The only money in those sciences is sought to continue to dig in the ground, look to the sky or build particle accelerators and other test equipment and make observations. There really are no split camps where scientists battle over findings, theories (or computer models). And most importantly, there isn’t a clique of scientists who try to drum out those in the profession who disagree with their findings and predictions. Yes, there are disagreements, like whether or not t-rex was a scavenger (rather than a predator) and how far into North America the Vikings made it. And theoretical things, like what happens to something that falls into a black hole….but no one files lawsuits, and no one stoops to name-calling and no one gets kicked off of internet sites and forums for having a differing idea.
And finally, scientists in those fields have very little reason to fudge data (well, OK, there was the infamous Piltdown Man, but that’s an outlier).
Sadly, climate science and medical science are the most corrupted branches of science these days. No wonder people don’t trust “the science” anymore!
I check out “science” sites before I trust them.
Politically-skewed websites are not useful. They often misrepresent the facts to advance desired political narratives. Let’s look at the two most popular “go to” sites used by CAGW Alarmists:
1. Skeptical Science…aka SEPTICAL Science….run by a CARTOONIST, John Cook, who has NO science credentials and dresses like a KNOTSEE.…”I’m not a climatologist or a scientist but a self employed cartoonist” – John Cook, Skeptical Science..His claim to fame is that he keeps a journal and uses it to BLACKLIST prominent Climate REALISTS.
For those who are not familiar with the disgusting liar and fraud John Cook,
https://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=John+Cook
2. DeSmogBlog…aka DeSmog BOG…..Jim Hoggan — owner of the Vancouver, Canada PR firm Hoggan & Associates….PR FIRM!!! HA, HA, REAL CLIMATE SCIENCE SOURCE….NOT!
Brendan DeMelle — Executive Director and Managing Editor. He is also a FREELANCE WRITER…FREELANCE because NOBODY WILL HIRE HIM!! He and I correspond, and I am signed up for his newsletter where he lists all the damage they are doing to the fossil fuel industry.
NO SCIENCE CREDENTIALS, but these two STOOGES constantly LIE about Climate Realists…and the site was Founded by a Convicted Money Launderer, John Lefebvre …look it up if you doubt me….