Comments on: Whatever happened to the Siberian permafrost “tipping point” from 2005? https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005 The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:48:40 +0000 hourly 1 By: rah https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835615 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:48:40 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835615 In reply to KevinM.

Exactly the world the left is trying to impose on us.

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By: Pat from Kerbob https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835595 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:09:06 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835595 In reply to Rud Istvan.

Rud, very interested in point #2, if you can dig that up I would use it to great effect. Maybe can be sent to me via Charles. The nonsensical methane scare is more than annoying as it powers the latest attack by the Trudeau idiots on us in AB.
I have no problem with measured enactment of rules to reduce gas flaring from oil production, gathering and using it makes sense, but these clowns are using the methane scare to claim that tiny fugitive emissions from existing gathering infrastructure will kill us all thereby requiring shutting in the whole industry.
They succeeded in demonizing coal to help force conversion to gas, now they are focusing on gas and how methane is supposedly worse.
#3 puts paid to that nonsense as well, Happer has nice graphs on that.

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By: Pat from Kerbob https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835590 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:58:42 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835590 In reply to Bob.

Sure we are, you just misunderstand what we are paying for

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By: KevinM https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835335 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 01:00:12 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835335 In reply to cgh.

““Tipping points?” A fake concept invented by …” someone born before paper existed to write it down.

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By: KevinM https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835331 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 00:38:15 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835331 In reply to KevinM.

Like if Thanatos is going to eradicate half of all living things, then who gets eradicated and why?

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By: KevinM https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835329 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 00:36:06 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835329 In reply to Bob.

A few generations back people decided the world was factual, predictable, materialistic and could be understood with data. Individuals going back to famous Greek philosophers wrote ideas that way but Western history does not support a broadly existential philosophy until relatively recent times. To get there we’ve had to sweep certain ideas under a rug and not talk about them.

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By: KevinM https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835327 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 00:26:42 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835327 In reply to Gary Pearse.

A lesson for those who lecture new earth creationists about what millions of years means – if something keeps returning to habitable conditions for millions of years then that’s probably just how it’ works. I think the concept moon expression for the situation is “can’t have it both ways”.

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By: KevinM https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835324 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 00:18:32 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835324 In reply to rah.

Imagine a world without other sources of news.

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By: KevinM https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835321 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 00:14:23 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835321 “for the first time since the ice age, …” it’s the first time since the ice age that I wrote this comment.

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By: DD More https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835319 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 00:09:36 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835319 In reply to Rud Istvan.

And a possible #4. Hydrate breakdown is an endothermic process, absorbing heat while the surrounding sediment cools. Because the specific heat of methane hydrates is about half that of water, hydrate-bearing sediment stores less heat which can then be made available to help fuel dissociation

It has to be continually heated to melt.

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By: John in Oz https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835309 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 23:27:33 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835309 In reply to Gary Pearse.

If if the permafrost formed 11,000 years ago, as they believe, they need to explain why the tipping point they espouse did not occur prior to this time when all of the gases now locked in the permafrost were out and about and able to wreak havoc around the World.

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By: Bryan A https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835288 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 22:32:20 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835288 In reply to Coeur de Lion.

Some people, because of the ancestry of their sir name, pronounce “W” as “V” and “V” as “W”
Others have purposefully chanced their spelling to remove that misscue. Like Wagner being pronounced Wagner or like the German Vagner.
Is the “V” in Viner “V” like Vine or “W” like Wine?

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By: Bryan A https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835281 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 22:26:44 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835281 In reply to rah.

I heard all the winter Sno-Cone sellers in Central Park relocated to Buffalo where the Lake Effect still provides them with flurries of business

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By: Gary Pearse https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835274 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 22:17:30 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835274 In reply to Rud Istvan.

“found that an area of permafrost spanning a million square kilometres – the size of France and Germany combined – has started to melt for the first time since it formed 11,000 years ago at the end of the last ice age.”

The team of alarmist ‘researchers’ must be sociologists and and social psychologists who were dispatched to study the permafrost deathspiral. It didn’t form 11,000yrs ago doughheads, it froze up 100,000yrs ago. A lot of it thawed during the Holocene highstand when it was about 3°C+ warmer than today for 4-5 millennia.

Also, the previous Eemian warm period before the Holocene was a couple of degrees warmer than the Holocene highstand. Ya see, during this previous much warmer period, most of the methane you worry about escaped before the permafrost froze up again 110,000 years ago. I hope this helps.

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By: sturmudgeon https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835228 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 20:47:38 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835228 In reply to Richard Page.

I think I saw what you did there.

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By: sturmudgeon https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835226 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 20:45:17 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835226 “Science correspondent, Ian SIMPLE, was it?

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By: Retired_Engineer_Jim https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835221 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 20:33:54 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835221 In reply to Rud Istvan.

As a single data point, parts of Southern California received record rainfall yesterday, with 3 inches measured at LAX, and 6 inches reported for Oxnard. No drought at this time.

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By: ToldYouSo https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835139 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 16:54:41 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835139 Melting takes a long time . . . based on the ratio of interglacial interval to glacial interval averaging at about 30,000 years:70,000 years for the last nine such cycles, we have another 20,000 or so years of melting still to go.

The Guardian, in it’s article referenced above, was “just a little” off in its timing.
/sarc

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835048 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:38:44 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835048 In reply to Richard Page.

They would be shunned.

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By: gezza1298 https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/whatever-happened-to-the-siberian-permafrost-tipping-point-from-2005/#comment-3835022 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:18:21 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273002#comment-3835022 In reply to Richard Page.

Funny how much of the ‘settled science’ needs further research – keep the cheques coming.

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