Comments on: Emails Show Biden Admin Coordinating with Enviro Group That’s Suing Them https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:24:17 +0000 hourly 1 By: davemar https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3835520 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:24:17 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3835520 Sue and settle was the norm with the Obama EPA and it continues. That’s how they get around Congress. Some green group would sue. The EPA would accept a prearranged settlement that favored the green position. All tidy and legal.

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By: TEWS_Pilot https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3835410 Sat, 23 Dec 2023 05:28:26 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3835410 Obama’s standard practice was “Sue and Settle.” Don’t fight the suit, settle out of court, and the Green activists get a big payday courtesy of the American Taxpayers.

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By: 2hotel9 https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834954 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 11:35:07 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834954 Sue and settle, this has been going on a long time.

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By: Bil https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834910 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 07:32:03 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834910 In reply to Bob.

Was just thinking the same. There’s a huge proliferation of non-representative quangos in western “democracies” costing the taxpayer billions.

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By: stinkerp https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834843 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 03:17:13 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834843 In reply to ToldYouSo.

Same pledge from Obama. Ironic how their administrations were among the most secretive about what they were really doing, bypassing Congress and the elected representatives of the people to shove their diktats in our faces; using lawfare, judges, bureaucracy, and executive orders instead of democratic processes. Whenever I hear a Democrat pledge transparency I roll my eyes and think, “here we go again”.

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By: Richard Page https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834789 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 00:51:33 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834789 In reply to Rud Istvan.

Actually, Rud, I think Joseph is right on this – those regulations are being used as a blanket, default setting so they don’t have to tell the little people anything. It should be the other way around – the agency should have to request the privilege and justify the reasons, but not the actual content. It should be treated as the exception, not the rule.

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By: Richard Page https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834788 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 00:46:12 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834788 In reply to Mr..

As far as I remember, the UK govt. were still inviting Greenpiss into the net zero regulation process. I think, anyway.

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By: Richard Page https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834786 Fri, 22 Dec 2023 00:43:40 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834786 In reply to ToldYouSo.

Didn’t the FBI Investigator in the Ghislaine Maxwell case vow to prosecute every guilty party in her/Epstein’s contact book. Until they found out whose names were in it then everybody get’s a free pass and referred to, suddenly, as a ‘witness’. Of course there’s a two-tier justice system, or rather a three-tier system where the in the 3rd tier it’s perfectly fine to make up stuff about someone you really don’t like, prosecute them for it and use the law as a club, not a shield.

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By: Bob https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834688 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 22:00:50 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834688 Well this certainly doesn’t improve my view of government. Federal, state and local governments all need to be whittled down. They are out of control.

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By: Rud Istvan https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834675 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:46:20 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834675 In reply to Joseph Zorzin.

Repect your POV but mildly disagree. The idea is that the President/Agency cannot get a full spectrum of counsel if everything is exposed to the public.
There are other administrative law guardrails in place for that which should be made public. For example, at the federal level the Administrative Procedures Act of 1946, used to challenge a number of seemingly arbitrary EPA decisions that inadequately responded to mandated public comments.

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By: ntesdorf https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834662 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:28:53 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834662 Is that what is called an ‘Amicus Brief”?

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834648 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:05:14 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834648 In reply to Rud Istvan.

too many privileges in government- we pay them and we should know everything they say and write, IMHO- other than military

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By: Rud Istvan https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834645 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:00:04 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834645 In reply to Joseph Zorzin.

Without getting too technical, it is the government agency equivalent of presidential executive privilege. The idea is that internal ‘strategic advice and options’ are privileged—nobody else gets to see them.

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834640 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:50:14 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834640 In reply to DonM.

4) how much was your kickback

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834639 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:49:26 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834639 In reply to ToldYouSo.

and deserving of NOT being unlawful, especially when one side is OUR government

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By: Joseph Zorzin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834636 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:47:43 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834636 Apparently some states have something like “(b)(5)”? A friend sent a FOIA request to the state of Wokeachusetts and got back a reply that included heavily redacted material. I believe they mentioned they could do that for similar reasons- inter/intra agency blah, blah, blah. I can’t understand why any inter/intra agency blah, blah, blah ought to be TOP SECRET unless it’s military. WTF?

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By: Mr. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834601 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:35:49 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834601 Story tip.

Speaking of calling out climate shenanigans, this observation could equally apply to UK, Australia and other sideline-players in the missions angst idiocy –

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/chris-sankey-fossil-fuels-arent-going-anywhere

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By: ToldYouSo https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834600 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:35:30 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834600 In reply to Rud Istvan.

Ummm . . . with careful consideration of the difference between an action being unlawful as compared to it being unethical.

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By: DonM https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834583 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 18:57:00 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834583 To: Clare Bonorow, Amy Coyle

Hello All,

I am e-mailing you to request information about recent contacts and information that you coordinated, and provided, to EarthJustice. I want to thank you for your time, as the information is going to be very useful to myself and associates in regard to our litigation plans.

1) I need your full names and home addresses
2) Job titles
3) Names & titles of direct supervisors
4)

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By: Rud Istvan https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/21/emails-show-biden-admin-coordinating-with-enviro-group-thats-suing-them/#comment-3834582 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 18:55:00 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10272919#comment-3834582 IMO a tempest in a teapot. Communication between litigants is a norm, not an exception. We do not know what the communications comprised because that was apparently lawfully withheld. Does not have the look or feel of a Sue and Settle situation. The article itself says NEPA is highly litigated, so this particular litigation communication would not be unusual.

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