Comments on: Quote of the week: 'anonymous cowards' please take note https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:28:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: witandwisdom4u https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173503 Sun, 15 Oct 2017 22:28:16 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173503 “Ignore them. Deprive them.” Perfect advice. The cowards are just trying to bait others. Don’t take the bait and run your own race. They can be left dangling with their passive/aggressive posts, tweets, etc.

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By: Indiana Sue https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173502 Sun, 15 Oct 2017 04:28:04 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173502 In reply to catweazle666.

I agree with catweazle666. Here is the actual UN Press Release about the above statement:
http://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally

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By: Mary White https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173501 Tue, 10 Oct 2017 12:54:33 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173501 WONDERFUL!
“Walk toward the fire. Don’t worry about what they call you. All those things are said against you because they want to stop you in your tracks. But if you keep going, you’re sending a message to people who are rooting for you, who are agreeing with you. The message is that they can do it, too.” ― Andrew Breitbart”
I miss Andrew Breitbart every single day, and I’d miss you too Doctor Watts, if you gave up or became afraid or overwhelmed by the stupies who assail you (and all of us who are “with you” in spirit and mind).
Please don’t falter, and please take care of yourself.
We many, who know the truth when we read it and hear it, walk toward the fire together here, whether we are scientists or not, because this is a place where truth is told. We cannot survive without truth.

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By: george e. smith https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173500 Sat, 07 Oct 2017 15:44:46 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173500 In reply to Alastair Brickell.

We’re just glad you’re back; and evidently feeling refreshed.
G

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By: catweazle666 https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173499 Sat, 07 Oct 2017 15:35:02 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173499 In reply to reallyskeptical.

“So GW is a conspiracy led by mad scientists to take control of the world.”
No, a conspiracy led by far more powerful organs than the scientific profession, mad or otherwise.

At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.
Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added: “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-destroy-capitalism/

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By: Vicus https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173498 Sat, 07 Oct 2017 01:45:03 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173498 In reply to richard verney.

Richard I agree. I hate when comments I reply to are filled with people who ‘agree’ to my position but devolve to insulting without substance.

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By: Vicus https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173497 Sat, 07 Oct 2017 01:40:04 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173497 It’s like this:
“Anonymous sources say…”
Most never get grew out of middle school.

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By: Gamecock https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173496 Sat, 07 Oct 2017 00:37:47 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173496 ‘Recently, with a comment where he smeared somebody, he earned being put on moderation’
I’ve been on moderation for years. It’s not that tough. Though it is curious.

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By: Casey https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173495 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 19:58:31 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173495 if you are a “a regular target of hate mail, hate Tweets, and hate blog essays”
Then it proves you are on the right track.
REAL science does not need to vilify people to “prove itself” – E.G We might poke some fun at “Flat Earthers”… but we don;t send hate mail or attack them… becasue “spheroid Earth” is REAL science, Flat Earth is not.
Same here – ACC is the “non-science” (you could shorten that to “nonsense” and it still has meaning)… and it needs to attack you to divert attention from your REAL science.

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By: Aphan https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173494 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:35:45 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173494 In reply to Aphan.

Dred,
Here are the problems I had with your initial post.
“The human desire to understand, from which all science is motivated, is an emotional desire.”
Curiosity is not listed anywhere as a human “emotion”, nor did you offer evidence to support the claim that “all science is motivated” by the exact same thing.
“Because of the imperfection of our senses, we cannot infallibly claim that facts, derived from our observations, are truth. We can only believe they are.”
Corrected I might agree with you:
Because of the imperfection of our senses, we cannot infallibly claim that our CONCLUSIONS, derived from our observations, are FACTS/CORRECT.
“Thus, completely separating humanity from human knowledge is not possible. We are not logic-bots, as much as some seem to wish they were.”
Never suggested otherwise. But we CAN examine our premises and conclusions (And those of others) and determine whether those premises and conclusions are logical or not. We can identify the human biases and ( if we want our conclusions to be as rational, logical, and as correct as they possibly can be) reject them
“And it’s possible to think logically and irrationally at the same time.”
Evidence to support this conclusion please.
“Logic is a method, only as good as the premises you plug into it, and just as vulnerable to GIGO as a computer climate model.”
You provided no premises, or evidence, to support any of the conclusive statements you made. So logically, I can only assign them the value of being your opinion at this point.
“Debate does not have to be an a priori zero-sum game.”
I never said it did.
As far as your other response, objective truths or FACTS exist whether we can perceive, sense, induce or deduce them. That’s why they are OBJECTIVE rather than SUBJECTIVE. It is not human knowledge or discovery or understanding that makes them REAL. They exist outside of our imperfect senses.

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By: TheDoctor https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173493 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 06:51:36 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173493 In reply to Aphan.

I was corrected:
Matter of fact 2+2=5 ! You just have to choose a high enough value for “Two” 😉

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By: Robert B https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173492 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 06:40:56 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173492 In reply to Aphan.

There is a good proof of 1+1 doesn’t equal 2. Good because the logical fallacy is difficult to spot despite being a simple argument.
(Spoiler alert) The fault is that the square can be a negative number, not just the positive. Can you imagine a debate where such an objection is howled down as denierism? Its such a beautiful proof that I sincerely think that 97% of climate scientists couldn’t spot it even if their career didn’t hinge on the scam continuing.

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By: Non Nomen https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173491 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 06:33:47 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173491 In reply to Gunga Din.

… his last name is not Mann.

I thought he was Irish: O’Dearyme

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By: drednicolson https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173490 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 05:26:57 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173490 In reply to Aphan.

Syllogism A–
Premise 1:
Nothing unreal exists.
Premise 2:
Objective truth exists.
Conclusion:
Objective truth is real.
Syllogism B–
Premise 1:
Only what we can sense and perceive, and induce or deduce from the same, is real.
(So we reject for argument’s sake the possibility of “revealed truth”, a domain of religion.)
Premise 2:
Our senses, perceptions, inductions, and deductions are fallible.
Conclusion:
We cannot infallibly sense, perceive, induce, or deduce what is real.
Syllogism C–
Premise 1:
Objective truth is real.
Premise 2:
We cannot infallibly sense, perceive, induce, or deduce what is real.
Conclusion:
We cannot infallibly sense, perceive, induce, or deduce what is objectively true.
🙂

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By: Aphan https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173489 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 02:36:29 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173489 In reply to rh.

Nick,
I’ll let Lubos respond to you on that one.
https://motls.blogspot.com/2017/03/selection-of-climate-model-survivors.html?m=1
Even Dilbert sees right through the “models”.

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By: Aphan https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173488 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 01:56:44 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173488 In reply to drednicolson.

“If truth is by nature subjective, the truth of the proposition “truth is subjective” is subjective, which means it is not necessarily true. However, for it to be false would mean that the proposition “truth is objective” can be true. But for this to be so would entail that truth is necessarily objective, for if the proposition “truth is objective” can be true, it must be true. This is not so of the proposition “truth is objective”, which is not self-contradictory. Ergo, either truth is objective, or the question is basically meaningless as for truth to be (by nature) subjective would mean that what is true isn’t necessarily true including the statement that what is true isn’t necessarily true.” Andrew Messing, Harvard University

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By: Aphan https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173487 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 01:14:56 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173487 In reply to drednicolson.

Dred-
And that is your opinion.
🙂

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By: drednicolson https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173486 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 00:34:14 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173486 In reply to Aphan.

The human desire to understand, from which all science is motivated, is an emotional desire.
Because of the imperfection of our senses, we cannot infallibly claim that facts, derived from our observations, are truth. We can only believe they are.
Thus, completely separating humanity from human knowledge is not possible. We are not logic-bots, as much as some seem to wish they were.
And it’s possible to think logically and irrationally at the same time. Logic is a method, only as good as the premises you plug into it, and just as vulnerable to GIGO as a computer climate model.
Debate does not have to be an a priori zero-sum game. Even Plato recognized thesis, antithesis, and *synthesis*.

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By: peyelut https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173485 Fri, 06 Oct 2017 00:24:08 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173485 In reply to TomRude.

The “FeedBack” link is Inoperative – I do not wonder why.

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By: Gunga Din https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/04/quote-of-the-week-anonymous-cowards-please-take-note/#comment-2173484 Thu, 05 Oct 2017 23:51:06 +0000 http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=184032#comment-2173484 In reply to reallyskeptical.

reallyskeptical October 4, 2017 at 5:20 pm
Well, I say something to my wife and she looks at me and usually says, “Really?”
So it must be true.

😎
(I won’t ask what it is you said.8-)

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