After our mild autumn we have suddenly gone into the depths of winter, haven’t we? We were down to 4F early this morning. Not quite like the start of winter in November 2014, but felt darned cold just the same.
Why are the temperatures for the same latitude the same on both the daylight and night sides? Is this the actual temperature or the forecast temperature?
It is posted as a min temp for one day (Nov. 26), therefore the temps represent a 24-hour set of readings. You are correct, of course, that this does not represent temperature at any one instant, just as the CAGW/IPCC focus on annual GAT contains no useful information about the range of temperatures experienced by humanity over a year.
Winter’s coming and the nights are dark and full of terrors.
strativarius
November 26, 2023 3:10 am
It’s the economy, stupid.
“Labour has strongly denied reports that Sir Keir Starmer could water down the party’s pledge to spend £28 billion-a-year on green initiatives. Both the BBC and the Telegraph reported that the plan could be scaled back again as Labour instead focuses on meeting the party’s fiscal rules.
Labour had originally promised in 2021 to invest £28 billion-a-year until 2030 in green projects if it came to power. But in June shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves said the figure would instead be a target to work towards in the second half of a first parliament. … The BBC said that a senior source in Sir Keir Starmer’s office suggested the £28 billion figure may not be reached at all due to the current state of the public finances. A source also told the Telegraph that fulfilling Labour’s fiscal rules was more important than meeting that pledge, with the paper reporting that aides to Sir Keir have asked Ms Reeves to scale back the fund.” https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2023/11/25/labour-denies-starmer-pushing-to-water-down-28bn-green-plans/
Why all the fuss about fiscal rules, and why are they so very important to the Blair clone? Going back to the collapse of the Brown Labour government in 2010….
“Liam Byrne, the former Chief Secretary to the Treasury, last week wrote a letter for his successor – the Liberal Democrat David Laws – stating: “I’m afraid to tell you there’s no money left.”
Javier Milei talks a lot of sense, and some of it seems to be deliberately mis-reported in the MSM. Can he deliver? My view is that like Donald Trump he must try to do what he said he would do, but that’s still no guarantee that he can prevail over Argentina’s swamp.
Interesting times, and I wish Argentina well.
If he learns from the failures of TRUMP! he will immediately replace the Argentine equivalent of the US DOJ with like minded people and begin arresting the corrupt politicians and cornering the corrupt lying media.
What do you want to bet that was an organized radical leftist booing. Trump’s intent to visit the game was given in advance, so the radical left organized a protest.
Big Deal. Par for the course for the left and for the leftwing media to emphasize this leftwing trick as being representative of the public mood.
There will probably be a video of Trump walking out onto the field and all you have to do is listen to the crowd to tell which way the majority of them are going. They aren’t booing, they are cheering.
Yes, we know. Trump is
W O R S E . T H A N . H I T L E R ! !
He writes mean tweets. What did Hitler ever do that was that bad?
At this point no matter what else I might think about OrangeManBad, I love LOVE how much he makes vermin heads explode. Oops now I’m worse than Hitler too!
It was the CIA doing the booing and chanting and rabble rousing- like they did for months and months in Maidan Square not very least. While handing out money, drugs, molotovs and more money.
Also on Jan 6th, undercover/plainclothes cops were soooo dumb as to use their own bodycams to record themselves helping folks climb fences, break down down doors and generally ‘invade the pace’
Not THE actual CIA considering their track abysmal track record – they renamed themselves as the Department for Democratic Defence (or some such twee & mendacious nonsense)
Like climate science, it’s all so pathetic and childish
Mr. name: Isn’t that what you predicted Trump would do? And he didn’t. Thank you for adding to the list of failed predictions by the kook left. Your paymaster is calling……
Wow! Maybe you’re not griff’s latest sockpuppet after all. Not even griff was that dim. Is Trump in power? Is the stumbling cadaver no longer in the White House?
“Is the stumbling cadaver no longer in the White House?” Seriously you have to be more specific when using terms like this. Did you mean the cadaver Trump or the cadaver Biden. Coz for anyone with half a brain it is obvious they are both well past their “use by’s.”
The difference is that Biden is a dried-up prune who is a stumbling idiot while Trump is still functioning well as a person in his late 70’s who can-do open-air rallies easily and comfortably.
Clearly you don’t watch him speak. In the last few weeks Trump has made numerous errors…..
He thinks he beat Obama in 2016. During a speech in South Carolina, he confused Jeb Bush and his brother, former President George W. Bush. During a speech in New Hampshire, he appeared confused about which country Viktor Orban is the president. He thought it was Turkey… It’s not. Then there was the time recently he thought he was in Sioux Falls… he wasn’t he was in Sioux City. Then there was the moment where he thought Biden was going to start World War 2. Again I’m not defending Biden. But you can’t ignore the obvious signs that Trump is loosing it, certainly well beyond what we want in the president of the US.
“…beyond what we want in the president of the US.” I simply can’t understand how you have the nerve to write something like this after voting in Biden. You can’t have it both ways – condemn one, you condemn both and then questions have to be asked about the hypocrisy of voting for Biden.
Simon you’re in New Zealand if memory serves. In any case, you’re not an American. Now granted I’m not above joking about the former socialist-equine prime minister of NZ (whinny), but in the end I acknowledge that Kiwis deserve to get the sort of bad government that they choose for themselves—and you got it good and hard, didn’t you? How is it any of your affair to direct us on whom we should elect to our government? Bugger off.
“Again I’m not defending Biden. But you can’t ignore the obvious signs that Trump is loosing it, certainly well beyond what we want in the president of the US.” Wow! that’s three lies in one post. You also are lousy at spelling “loser”.
Simon, you are not very good at recognizing talent.
Trump is by far the best candidate. He has a proven formula for success and we need to get back on that track as soon as possible.
Watch one of Trump’s rallies. You will see he is in complete control of himself while he speaks in front of tens of thousands of supporters. Trump has so much energy he runs his assistants ragged. They can barely keep up with him.
There is nobody like Trump. There may be other conservatives out there that can do a good job but that’s not obvious as nobody is a proven quantity other than Trump. I liked the direction the U.S. was heading under Trump and we need to get back on that path. Trump will put us back on that path.
Biden is and always has been a senile puppet. Who exactly has been in charge is not exactly clear. Obama may be in the chain of command but I seriously doubt that he has ever been the top dog. America has been slowly, systematically dismantled over the past 15 years. The Trump counter-offensive failed. If there’s an Act II of this play, it’s going to require bold action to salvage the nearly destroyed Republic.
Dramatic words. But if Biden is just a puppet, his masters must have been pulling a lot of strings because he has got a lot done. For me…. I’m hoping Haley gets the nod from the right. She seems very level and clear thinking. Be good to have a woman too.
There’s zero chance that Nikki Haley is going to be President and that’s all the same to me. Her positions are not to my taste but she’d still be infinitely better than any Democrat.
The difference between you and me is (in just one particular obviously) that while you consider a vagina to be a political qualification, I consider it entirely irrelevant to the question. You probably also consider melanin skin pigmentation and ancestry to be highly relevant qualifications while I subscribe to the old-fashioned idea that competence and the content of one’s character is all that should be considered.
If you want to vote for her Simon, all you gotta do is fly to Mexico and walk across the border.
As far as I’m concerned, 30-plus years of fighting debt-financed wars with no US national interest is just a scam to transfer wealth to the military-industrial complex in which trough Haley has her snout firmly planted.
Trump has never been my cuppa tea either. I like people to speak in complete sentences with the occasional dependent clause. But by God Simon you leftwing globalists are not getting away with weaponizing the judicial system. I’ll vote for Trump even if he’s serving time.
How exactly is upholding the law, weaponising the judicial system? If a person breaks the law, that person should be held to account. It’s how the law works, and that the lord it does. It’s also the bit Trump doesn’t seem to get. He thinks because he has money, or influence, or because he is running for president, he is above the law.
“But by God Simon you leftwing globalists are not getting away with weaponizing the judicial system. I’ll vote for Trump even if he’s serving time.”
I think a lot of people are looking at it that way. It’s really the most important reason to vote for Trump. The American people must repudiate the weaponization of the federal government by the radical Democrats and their using the federal government to attack their political opponents.
Our Republic cannot survive the weaponization of the federal government by one political party. If that happens, our Republic becomes a Democrat Dictatorship.
Vote for Trump if you value your personal freedoms
You call it weaponisation, I call it the justice department doing its job. When you have the amount of evidence against Trump that there is, it is hard to argue these court cases should not go ahead. It is so telling that the chief witnesses are people who worked for and with him for so many years. Bill Barr, Cassidy Hutchinson, Sidney Powell, Ken Chesebro, and the most damning of all…. Mark Meadows. It is virtually impossible to conclude that the prosecution would have offered these people plea deals, if they didn’t have a lot to say. Going to be fascinating to watch.
I’ll give you that. He does look to be headed for the nomination. In other news, I see Gavin Newsom is now the second favourite with the bookies to win the Dem nomination. Now I would love to see him debate Trump.
It is also dangerous. The hiding of the Hunter Biden laptop story until after the election, as well as the fifty-two spooks who signed the letter putting it all down them naughty Ruskies, undoubtedly cost Trump the Presidency.
“undoubtedly cost Trump the Presidency.” Oh and his botching of the covid handling was about as bad as it gets. But at lest you admit he lost I guess. that’s progress.
strativarius
November 26, 2023 4:39 am
I’ve been reading up on Effective Altruism in the light of the the Sam Altman floorshow at OpenAI.
In this ‘paradigm’ you have to be a bit of a Jack of all trades – understanding science is only the beginning, you also have to get your head around what is happening in [geo-]political and economic spheres. And along the way you invariably come across some funny and outlandish stuff…
Rights for insects? I thought we were going to be eating bugs instead of beef, pork, and chicken. It’s a releif to know my burgers are still on the menu.
BigE
November 26, 2023 4:54 am
China to build an ocean based data center sighting “Other significant savings included 122 million kilowatt-hours of electricity and 105,000 tons of freshwater annually. Submerged data centers can leverage the freezing seawater for natural cooling, which helps reduce operating costs.”
ANYONE WANT TO CALCULATE THE OCEAN WARMING FROM THIS MONSTROSITY? I bet the electrical “savings” is converted into ocean heating.
We won’t hear the climate crisis advocates jump on this.
Did renowned philosopher of science Michael Polanyi have a realistic view of the scientific community or was it one of an abstract ideal? It may have been valid when he expressed it but perhaps there have been changes.
michael hart
November 26, 2023 6:12 am
Of course somebody was going to claim global boiling is going to make cancer worse.
“The climate and nature crisis: implications for cancer control”
The most utter garbage evah = they claim steam at 565 Celsius and 160Bar
If me you anyone goes look for a steam vs temp vs pressure calculator, they don’t go above 219Bar and that gives a steam temperature of 373Celsius. Things simply get crazy above that.
Put that in a proper Carnot formula with turbine input temp of 646Kelvin and a cooling-tower temp of 303Kelvin gets you 46% efficiency
Best ones to date run at about 40% (that 2nd Law is a real bitch)
You can operate a plant to 565C just fine. They are called ultrasupercritical (USC) coal plants for a reason. They operate beyond the water vapor critical point. GE is striving toward 50% efficiency. I have advocated that we replace the aging subcritical plants with these. Having done so we’d have saved quite a lot of CO2, had saved money, and wouldn’t be lloking at all the damage headed our way.
Better yet, how about mercury vapor as a working fluid? The comic relief moment in my undergrad thermo class was a discussion of the the trade-off between higher efficiency and fatal tube leaks.
Here is the full video. The claim is that once started, the engine runs without generation of any carbon emissions. Thus, no fuel is consumed. The claim is that the energy is derived from vortexed plasmoids. It would seem that this would violate the first law of thermodynamics.
Unfortunately, I probably don’t need to watch it. Certainly don’t need to.
I’ll admit I like Randall Carlson when he talks about the evidence for ancient mega-floods at the end of the last ice age.
… but then he seems to completely leave the rails with this sort of twaddle.
Colour me disappointed.
There are others also coming from a similar angle. Put words like “energy”, “Nikola Tesla”, and “resonance” in the same sentence and some otherwise sensible people seem to lose their wits.
This is an amazing technology. I’m sure the length of the video scared away a lot of folks, but it looks solid and will should change the world. It will put an end to the AGW clown show as soon as it becomes widely understood.
It’s not an energy source although they claim it makes combustion more efficient. It has two outputs cold air and O2. The input is any kind of carbon emissions plus a few things to make it all work.
Any coal power plant (or any fossil fuel) could become carbon emissions free as well as providing free cooling tower input. There would be no reason to replace them. Sounded like one company in India is already working on it.
Same holds true for vehicle emissions if the technology can be made small enough. No EVs required. Should be no problem for larger transport items like trains, boats, planes and large trucks. There would be no need for a radiator as well.
Could power A/C units as well. Run them off gas instead of electricity.
I do wonder if there could be a downside to producing all that O2. Also nothing provided explains what happens to the carbon.
Are you spoofing us Richard M? Or you really have no clue about how energy is extracted from hydrocarbons? The ‘evidence’ presented was that carbon monoxide was eliminated, which implies more complete combustion—more CO2, less O2.
But they did claim oxygen was being generated. Well what sense does that make? A hydrocarbon and air goes in and only air comes out? Where did the hydrogen and carbon atoms go? It’s going to take six months of study to get to the bottom of that?
I let that nonsense run for an hour while I did something more useful but basically it was absolutely ridiculous and obviously was never going to rise above the level of a drunken bar discussion.
I don’t think you understood the process. There is still a working engine burning hydrocarbons. It is just the emissions being processed. The monitor was only measuring CO2 and CO. Both of these went to zero.
I completely agree the internal workings were not discussed very well in this presentation, but the other videos referenced were interesting enough to warrant future consideration.
Keep in mind there was more provided here than we ever had from the ECAT scam. The actual mechanics was described at a high level. Everything is open source so you can build it yourself to test it out. The only thing being sold are licenses which no one would purchase if they couldn’t build an operational device from the open source. This was discussed towards the end of the video. Why would anyone push this technology if it didn’t work?
I should add there is energy also coming out of this process. The emissions themselves are very hot. The O2 that is emitted is at -50 C. So, there is a lot of energy that also needs to be accounted for. Maybe that is what is used to make the combustion “more efficient”. The heat of combustion would no longer be wasted.
Marty
November 26, 2023 6:43 am
There was an interesting article here a few days ago that said that 70,000 people are expected to attend the COP 28 thingee. Taking as a given that COP28 is an enormous waste, I’ve been wondering what is going on in the minds of the attendees.
For the third world attendee from places like Africa or India, it is fairly easy to imagine what they are thinking. They probably think we are fools. And that if our governments and if NGO’s are willing to pay for them to get a free vacation just for pretending to believe in global warming, what the heck, they will take our money. Who knows, maybe they can even convince some naive government into giving their dictators and oligarchs even more money.
For western attendees it is harder to say what motivates them. A large number of them are most likely just useful idiots. Another large group are probably just in it for the free vacation and are totally cynical. A third group, probably a tiny number, are the moral equivalent of religious fanatics who have abandoned science and common sense.
We all know the final outcome of the conference. After spending millions (maybe billions) of dollars and adding enormous amounts of carbon dioxide to the air, they will declare COP 28 a great success and set a date and place for COP 29.
It would be interesting if someone could do a serious objective study of what really is motivating these attendees. What is in their mind? Why are they attending? But of course, even if such a study were actually done it would never be published.
Well Davos and COP is only twice a year aren’t people allowed to have some fun now and again ? :-|)
Sailor76
November 26, 2023 6:46 am
Byrd Station got Very COLD this past August of 2023!
Contrary to what 97% of the Journalists plus John Kerry, the Special Envoy for Climate related Propaganda for the United States of America are saying about the immanent “Melting” of all of Western Antarctica and the devastating Sea Level Rise that it will cause, who are quoting 3 % of the “Scientists” according to the Seminal Study Numbers provided by Cook et. all (2013), it looks like maybe Western Antarctica is not being subjected to 3 or 4 times the “Warming” that is taking place everywhere else on “Planet A”, that of course is “Planet Earth”.
“In recent years the station has recorded a warming trend, with warming fastest in its winter and spring. This location, in the heart of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is one of the fastest-warming places on Earth.”
Not so fast, says the Data on the ground in Antarctica.
Upon which the table included here is based, it does look like there is a NEW All-Time Cold Record in 2023 for Western Antarctica’s Byrd Station.
August 1983: -42.5 C August 198:1 -43.0 C August 1978: -43.7 C September 1986: -44.7 C
August 2023: -45.54 C
An All-Time Ever Record Cold Month since at least 1957? Maybe so!
Ireneusz Palmowski
November 26, 2023 7:05 am
Severe snowstorm on the Great Lakes.
MIke McHenry
November 26, 2023 7:20 am
Increasingly I’m seeing attacks in studies on food types particularly meat and processed foods. The data is almost aways dodgy. But MSM picks it up as gospel. I also noticed a common sponsor is NIH. Stepping back this appears to be another attack on emissions
Results from a big study on carnivore diets recently came out. Striking was that 100% of the diabetics that required insulin were able to get off of it, and the need for oral medications was greatly reduced. Can’t have that and still maintain pharma profits.
On the surface, it’s about “health”. At one level down, it’s about “emissions” (CO2, methane, nitrogen fertilizers) but at a deeper level it’s about curbing our western way of life. This is never explicitly stated of course, but it’s paving the way for new laws and regulations that will start us down the road to austerity. It’s just one front of a multi-pronged attack on the Age of Reason.
The price of battery-grade lithium carbonate has crashed in the last 12 months.
This downward pressure is attributed to oversupplied markets in Asia, primarily because the demand of electric vehicles has significantly decreased, due to:
1) high cost of financing (monthly payments),
2) high cost of insurance (3 to 4 times gasoline),
3) stagnant spendable real incomes,
4) lack of driving range, and
5) charging time drawbacks, especially when going on longer trips, having 2 or 3 passengers, hauling loads, driving uphill, all of which are a lot worse in areas with colder climates.
Also, EVs in urban/suburban areas travel less, say 8000 to 9000 miles/y, so the cost/mile is very high
Also, the upstream CO2 of mining, transport, refining materials and building an EV is so high, the little annual travel does not offset the upstream CO2, which means EVs do not reduce CO2 on a lifetime basis.
Also, the life of an EV battery, after 8 x 9000 = 72,000 miles of driving, is about 8 years. No one with any sense would replace an aged battery in an 8-y-old vehicle, at a total cost of $15,000 to $20,000
Since November 2022, the average price of battery-grade lithium carbonate in China plunged from $84,500 per metric ton to $18,630, or about a 78% decline.
Ford, GM, etc., are curtailing/not expanding EV battery plants
That means fewer EV batteries will be built and fewer EVs will be sold during at least 2024/2025, and likely longer.
Government climate goals will not be achieved, unless subsidies are so high, that EVs, plus chargers all over the US, would be “for free”, and the US would be bankrupt. Click on URL to see image
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According to forecasts from industry consultancy Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, the global lithium market won’t rebalance and return to a deficit until 2028.
General Motors, Honda, LG Energy Solution, and other auto and battery manufacturers have reduced EV manufacturing expansion plans in recent months
This has created a global supply glut for various battery metals.
Bloomberg-NEF’s Allan Ray Restauro said, “With lithium supply growing more next year, we are likely going to see prices falling further, adding, “On the demand side, some regional differences on EV sales have been dragging sentiment down around the industry.”
The world’s second-largest lithium producer, Chilean miner SQM, recently blamed the plunge in lithium prices on excess inventory, especially in Asia.
Plunging prices come as the ‘green’ Wind/Solar/Battery/EV/Heat pump bubble is melting down.
The world’s largest offshore wind farm developer, Oersted A/S, has abandoned several offshore wind projects, and orders for new solar systems and battery systems have dried up.
See below articles
BATTERIES IN NEW ENGLAND? https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/batteries-in-new-england
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Assume, at some future date:
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– CO2-emitting power plants will be shut down, such as fossil fuel, wood burning, refuse burning, etc.
– Nuclear plants, once shut down, will not be replaced
– Hydro plants, about 7% of total NE generation, will remain.
– Wind and solar installed capacity, MW, will be sufficient to provide 100% of average daily demand each day of the year. https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix
NOTE: In this analysis, we ignore hydro, for simplicity
A Wind/Solar Lull Lasting One Day in Winter
If a wind/solar lull occurs, batteries will make up the wind/solar shortfall
Say, at some future date, NE has:
60000 MW of solar, which will produce an annual average of 8700 MWh/h, at CF = 0.35
60000 MW of wind, which will produce an annual average of 21000 MWh/h, at CF = 0.145
During a W/S lull, we assume the production will be only 10% of these values during winter, which frequently has days with very little wind, and snow on panels
We assume NE demand is 21000 MW on a January day, and during that entire day the average W/S output is 2970 MW.
Electricity fed to grid for that day is 24 x (21000 – 2970) = 432720 MWh
The required battery capacity will be (18030 MW) /(432720 MWh/0.45)
There are some design factors that reduce design capacity, but we will ignore them, for simplicity
Tesla recommends not charging more than 80% full, and not discharging less than 20% full
That means the maximum delivered electricity is 0.6 of capacity.
We assume the battery is 75% full, at start of lull, and gets drawn down to 25% full, in 24 hours, i.e., 0.5 of capacity is drawn out of the battery, if we are lucky.
But that 0.5 must be reduced by 10%, due to losses, i.e., 0.45 is fed to HV grid
Battery System Loss: There is about a 20% round-trip loss; from HV grid, step-down transformer, front-end power electronics, into battery, out of battery, back-end power electronics, step-up transformer, to HV grid
That means you have to feed about 20% more into the battery than is delivered, to recharge the battery to desired levels
Capital Cost: All-in, turnkey capital cost of Tesla, Megapack-based system = 432720/0.45 x 1000 kWh/MWh x $575/delivered kWh as AC, 2023 pricing = $553 billion
Double that amount, if the W/S lull lasts two days.
W/S lulls of 5 to 7 days are not uncommon in New England, throughout the year
Dealing with such lulls would require batteries costing about $2.8 to $3.9 trillion, or massive black-outs.
Until about 2020, various people claimed future utility-grade battery system costs will be as low as $250/delivered kWh
If that were the case, the battery cost would be $553 x 250/575 = $240 billion.
Since 2020, Megapack-based, battery-system costs have been increasing to about $575/delivered kWh
Because of continuing high inflation, high interest rates, high materials and energy prices, etc., battery costs likely will not decrease for some years.
Remember, these battery systems last only about 15 years, and age at about 1.5%/y during that time, which increases the loss percent, and reduces the delivered electricity quantity
The recurring replacement cost, about every 15 years, will bankrupt New England
Recharging the Batteries: There must be enough enoughwind and solar capacity, MW, plus co-operative wind and solar conditions, to recharge the batteries to about 75% full, in 3 days, in anticipation of a second lull, which could happen a few days after the first.
The battery charging happens, while the battery serves normal battery services, such as:
1) Counteracting the W/S-up/down output, on a less-than-minute-by-minute basis, 24/7/365,
2) Providing electricity during low-W/S periods (such as minor lulls), and during high-W/S periods, when wind turbine rotors are feathered and locked.
Assume weather conditions have significantly improved to increase the W/S output from 2970 MW (during the lull) to 30000 MW, which is well in excess of the 21000 MW demand.
W/S electricity available from HV grid for charging is 9000 MW x 72 h x 0.50 CF, assumed = 324000 MWh, which loads 0.9 x 324000 = 291600 into the battery, which provides 292600 x 0.9 = 262440 MWh to the HV grid
That is significantly less than the required 432720 MWh
That means significant additional wind and solar capacity, MW, is required
I’m glad to see that someone has found a use for Artificial Stupidity.
Sunsettommy
November 26, 2023 10:48 am
Warmist/alarmists have taken a dive in recent weeks after they realized the world isn’t stumbling in near death throes after the warm burst this year now record snow and cold has descended in some areas while they look on in forlorn silence missing the days when they could make complete fools of themselves over a small warming event.
Meanwhile the utter failure of the AGW bullshit continues:
NO “Lower Tropospheric “hot spot” exist.
NO Positive Feedback Loop exist, which has never happened in the last billion years thus another stupid idea flops totally because it was all made up out of thin air.
Isn’t there anything else these stupid people want to cry over that is a total pile of bullshit?
Ireneusz Palmowski
November 26, 2023 11:22 am
The first major widespread lake-effect snow event of the season could be highly disruptive for travel from the Upper Midwest to the interior Northeast, with feet of snow possible for some locations.
What you need to know: https://bit.ly/40VCAQm
Chris Nisbet
November 26, 2023 11:22 am
I have a question about the “hockey stick”.
Is there any explanation given for the slight drift downwards in temperature before it starts rising towards the end of the graph?
I’m really just interested to know how it is explained by the people who believe it represents the truth, not how accurate it actually is.
‘Is there any explanation given for the slight drift downwards in temperature before it starts rising towards the end of the graph?’
Short answer: Fraud.
Long answer: Ignore numerous proxy data sets from around the world that clearly indicate the occurrence of prior warming and cooling events.
general custer
November 26, 2023 11:27 am
A story tip: The Yukon River is heating up! Yes, a river that sends literally billions of tons of ice into the Bering Sea every spring is getting so warm that salmon can no longer navigate it. That’s the reason that subsistence fishing for king and chum salmon has been closed from time to time, destroying the cultures of the Athabascan and Yupik natives. There are a few other factors brought out in the silly article but no mention is made of high seas catches by foreign fleets, particularly the Russians, who share those waters with the US and Canada and the fish themselves.
The ice broke up at Nenana, on the Tanana River, a majority tributary of the Yukon, on May 2, 2023.
“The event is part of a yearly river breakup that signals the end of winter and beginning of spring. For most of the state’s major rivers, breakup was delayed this year by one to two weeks after a particularly cold April. The game originated in 1917 when a group of railroad engineers bet a total of $800 trying to guess the precise date and time when the Tanana River would break up.
Since then, the earliest breakup date was April 14, and the latest was May 20.”
An example of scientific thinking: Back in the ’80s the US Fish and Wildlife chartered a local boat and took an excursion up the Koyukuk River, a remote Yukon tributary. Their comment on return was that the boats used by the natives for traveling from village to village should be limited to small horsepower because the wake produced by big outboards tended to erode the banks. This on a river that each breakup sends enormous amounts of ice downstream wiping out everything in its path. Those guys have zero credibility.
Joseph Zorzin
November 26, 2023 12:47 pm
Dr. James E. Hansen in Conversation with Paul Beckwith
Dr. James Hansen, former Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and Adjunct Professor at Columbia University’s Earth Institute, joins Paul Beckwith in a discussion about his recent work. This video was recorded on November 13th, 2023, and published on November 26th, 2023. “Global Warming in the Pipeline,” a groundbreaking paper challenging the conservative estimates of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and emphasizing the urgency of the climate crisis is the main focus of the conversation. The details of the paper are delved into focusing on the rapid and potentially exponential increase in ice melt rates and the associated risks of major climate disruptions. The discussion then shifts to a recent letter published by Dr. Hansen, where he declares that global warming is accelerating and questions the viability of the goals set by the Paris Agreement. The conversation explores the role of aerosols, particularly the reduction of sulfur in shipping fuels, in contributing to the observed warming acceleration. The Earth’s energy imbalance, the potential role of missing Antarctic sea ice, and the anticipation of alarming events in the near future are brought up in addition to the critical need for informed decision-making to address the accelerating climate challenges. James’s upcoming work on sea level rise and his book, “Sophie’s Planet,” which aims to make climate science more accessible to a broader audience, are mentioned as the conversation closes.
Hanson’s efforts to downplay the warming of the 1930’s marks him as a fraud.
First Hansen says 1934 was 0.5C warmer than 1998, then, after cooling began after 1998, Hansen revised his temperature chart and no longer claimed the 1930’s were the warmest decade. Hansen rewrote history to promote the political agenda of Human-caused Global Warming/Climate Change.
it’s pure, deliberate fraud. He knows better. He gave the proper temperature for the 1930’s when politics wasn’t involved, but when climate change politics came into the picture after 1998, he changed his tune.
If global temperatures increase by 1 degree Celsius (C) or more than current levels, each year billions of people will be exposed to heat and humidity so extreme they will be unable to naturally cool themselves, according to interdisciplinary research. Results indicated that warming of the planet beyond 1.5 C above preindustrial levels will be increasingly devastating for human health across the planet.
It rained last night here in north central WK. And it’s the first day of shotgun deer season. The hunters prefer snow on the ground- not deep, just enough for footprints- of deer and other hunters.
sturmudgeon
November 26, 2023 5:02 pm
That’s a beautiful picture heading this article. Thanks.
I suspect the image could be interpreted in different ways.
general custer
November 26, 2023 8:30 pm
The Active Sensing of CO2 Emissions over Nights, Days, and Seasons (ASCENDS): Final Report of the ASCENDS Ad Hoc Science Definition Team doesn’t seem to have been mentioned on WUWT. You can find it here.
Ireneusz Palmowski
November 27, 2023 1:56 am
Thunderstorms in Australia.
Ireneusz Palmowski
November 27, 2023 2:18 am
A stationary upper low in the north will provide further waves of frigid air over the Great Lakes.
MIke McHenry
November 27, 2023 9:35 am
In the Journal Science, Nov 17 page 762, appears an article on article on Solid Waste emissions. It has this clearly erroneous statement [carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, and nitrous oxide are the primary greenhouse gases] as we all know water vapor is dominate. The situation is really bad when prominent Journal allows it.
Russia building more nuclear reactors than any other country, IAEA data show
MOSCOW, November 13, 2023
According to the IAEA, a total of 412 nuclear reactors are in operation at power plants across the world, with their total capacity at about 370.2 gigawatts
Russia is building more nuclear reactors that any other country in the world, according to data from the Power Reactor Information System of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
The data show a total of 58 large-scale nuclear power reactors are currently under construction worldwide, of which 23 are being built by Russia. A plant may have up to 4 reactors, usually 1100 MW each
Rosatom is doing the most construction of international nuclear power units.
In Egypt, 4 reactors, each 1,200 MW = 4,800 MW for $30 billion is about $6,250/kW, which includes financing by Egypt $5 billion and by Russia $25 billion
That cost is at least 40% less then US/UK/EU
In Turkey, 4 reactors, each 1,200 MW = 4,800 MW for $20 billion is about $4,200/kW, entirely financed by Russia. The plant will be owned and operated by Rosatom
It is interesting, Rosatom’s direct competitors, according to PRIS data, are three Chinese companies: CNNC, CSPI and CGN.
They are building 22 reactors, but it should be noted that they are being built primarily inside China, and the Chinese partners are building five of them together with Rosatom.
If we talk about the Americans and Europeans, they are lagging behind by a wide margin,” Alexander Uvarov, a director at the Atom-info Center and editor-in-chief at the atominfo.ru website, told TASS.
Floating Offshore Wind in Norway
Equinor, a Norwegian company, just put in operation 11 Hywind, floating offshore wind turbines, each 8 MW, for a total of 88 MW, in the North Sea. The wind turbines are supplied by Siemens
Production will be about 88 x 8766 x 0.5, claimed lifetime capacity factor = 385,704 MWh/y, which is about 35% of the electricity used by 2 Norwegian oil rigs.
The existing diesel and gas-turbine generators on the rigs, will provide the other 65%.
The generators will counteract the up/down output of the wind turbines, on a less than minute-by-minute basis, 24/7/365
The generators will provide almost all the electricity during low-wind periods, and during high-wind periods, when rotors are feathered and locked.
The capital cost of the entire project was about 8 billion Norwegian Kroner, or about $750 million, as of August 2023, when all 11 units were placed in operation.
That cost was much higher than the estimated 5 billion NOK in 2019, i.e., 60% higher The production cost likely will be about 46 c/kWh, without subsidies, about 23 c/kWh, with subsidies.
In Norway, all work associated with oil rigs is very expensive.
Workers are on the rigs for 6 weeks, and get 6 weeks off, and are paid well over $150,000/y, plus benefits.
Floating Offshore Wind in Maine
If such floating units were used in Maine, the production costs would be even higher in Maine, because of the additional cost of transport, of almost the entire supply, including specialized ships, across the Atlantic Ocean
A high voltage cable would be hanging from each unit, until it reaches bottom, say about 500 to 1000 feet. The cables would need some type of flexible support system
All the cables would be combined into one cable to run horizontally to shore, for at least 25 to 30 miles
Rich Norway people can afford to dabble in such expensive demonstration follies, but the over-taxed, over-regulated, impoverished Maine people would buckle under such a heavy burden, while trying to make ends meet in the near-zero, real-growth Maine economy.
Maine folks need lower energy bills, not higher energy bills.
Offshore Wind Capacity Placed on Operation in 2021
World: During 2021, worldwide offshore wind capacity placed in operation was 17,398 MW, of which China 13,790 MW, and the rest of the world 3,608 MW, of which UK 1,855 MW; Vietnam 643 MW; Denmark 604 MW; Netherlands 402 MW; Taiwan 109 MW Of the 17,398 MW, just 57.1 MW was floating, about 1/3%
At end of 2021, 50,623 MW was in operation, of which just 123.4 MW was floating, about 1/4% https://www.energy.gov/eere/wind/articles/offshore-wind-market-report-2022-edition
NOTE: Despite the meager floating offshore MW in the world, pro-wind politicians, bureaucrats, etc., aided and abetted by the lapdog Media, in the impoverished State of Maine, continue to fantasize about building 3,000 MW of 850-ft-tall floating offshore wind turbines by 2040!!
Maine government bureaucrats, etc., in a world of their own climate-fighting fantasies, want to have about 3,000 MW of floating wind turbinesby 2040; a most expensive, totally unrealistic goal, that would further impoverish the already-poor State of Maine for many decades.
Those bureaucrats, etc., would help fatten the lucrative, 20-y, tax-shelters of mostly out-of-state, multi-millionaire, wind-subsidy chasers, who likely have minimal regard for:
1) Impacts on the environment and the fishing and tourist industries of Maine, and
2) Already-overstressed, over-taxed, over-regulated Maine ratepayers and taxpayers, who are trying to make ends meet in a near-zero, real-growth economy.
Those fishery-destroying, 850-ft-tall floaters, with 24/7365 strobe lights, visible 30 miles from any shore, would cost at least $7,500/ installed kW, or at least $22.5 billion, if built in 2023 (more after 2023)
Almost the entire supply of the projects would be designed and made in Europe, then transported across the Atlantic Ocean, in specialized ships, also designed and made in Europe, then unloaded at the Maine pre-assembly/staging area, then barged to specialized erection ships, for erection of the floating turbines.
About 200 Maine people would have short-term erection jobs. About 30 Maine people would have long-term O&M jobs
The Maine woke bureaucrats are falling over each other to prove their “greenness”, offering $millions of this and that for free, but all their primping and preening efforts has resulted in no floating offshore bids from European developers
The Maine people have much greater burdens to look forward to for the next 20 years, courtesy of the Governor Mills incompetent, woke bureaucracy that has infested the state government
The Maine people need to finally wake up, and put an end to all the climate scare-mongering, which aims to subjugate and further impoverish them, by voting the entire Democrat woke cabal out and replace it with rational Republicans in 2024
The present course leads to financial disaster for the impoverished State of Maine and its people.
The purposely-kept-ignorant Maine people do not deserve such maltreatment
NOTE: The above prices compare with the average New England wholesale price of about 5 c/kWh, during the 2009 – 2022 period, 13 years, courtesy of:
Natural gas-fueled CCGT plants, with low-cost, low-CO2, very-low particulate/kWh
Nuclear plants, with low-cost, near-zero CO2, zero particulate/kWh
Hydro plants, with low-cost, near-zero-CO2, zero particulate/kWh
Ireneusz Palmowski
November 28, 2023 1:32 am
An active low from the south brings rainfall to eastern Australia.
JASchrumpf
November 29, 2023 10:41 am
I’m looking at the graphic of the USCRN anomaly and wondering how they got a 30-year baseline from data that only goes back to Jan 2005?
Just for grins, I plotted the TMAX average annual temps from the data and saw a real nice cooling trend. What are we supposed to be worried about again?
Current minimum temperature in the northern hemisphere.
Red looks nice to me, sitting where I am (inside) as outside is not so nice here.
After our mild autumn we have suddenly gone into the depths of winter, haven’t we? We were down to 4F early this morning. Not quite like the start of winter in November 2014, but felt darned cold just the same.
Why are the temperatures for the same latitude the same on both the daylight and night sides? Is this the actual temperature or the forecast temperature?
It is posted as a min temp for one day (Nov. 26), therefore the temps represent a 24-hour set of readings. You are correct, of course, that this does not represent temperature at any one instant, just as the CAGW/IPCC focus on annual GAT contains no useful information about the range of temperatures experienced by humanity over a year.
Winter’s coming and the nights are dark and full of terrors.
It’s the economy, stupid.
“Labour has strongly denied reports that Sir Keir Starmer could water down the party’s pledge to spend £28 billion-a-year on green initiatives. Both the BBC and the Telegraph reported that the plan could be scaled back again as Labour instead focuses on meeting the party’s fiscal rules.
Labour had originally promised in 2021 to invest £28 billion-a-year until 2030 in green projects if it came to power. But in June shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves said the figure would instead be a target to work towards in the second half of a first parliament.
…
The BBC said that a senior source in Sir Keir Starmer’s office suggested the £28 billion figure may not be reached at all due to the current state of the public finances. A source also told the Telegraph that fulfilling Labour’s fiscal rules was more important than meeting that pledge, with the paper reporting that aides to Sir Keir have asked Ms Reeves to scale back the fund.”
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2023/11/25/labour-denies-starmer-pushing-to-water-down-28bn-green-plans/
Why all the fuss about fiscal rules, and why are they so very important to the Blair clone? Going back to the collapse of the Brown Labour government in 2010….
“Liam Byrne, the former Chief Secretary to the Treasury, last week wrote a letter for his successor – the Liberal Democrat David Laws – stating: “I’m afraid to tell you there’s no money left.”
Speaking at a press conference yesterday, Mr Laws said: “When I arrived at my desk on the very first day as Chief Secretary, I found a letter from the previous chief secretary to give me some advice, I assumed, on how I conduct myself over the months ahead.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-minister-liam-byrne-left-note-on-desk-theres-no-money-left-fw5vdg9qwdk
Yes, they blew the lot. Another problem on the horizon is the sheer scale and expense of the fabled grid [for absolutely everything, everything].
“Analysis of Britain’s existing power grids and the country’s predicted electricity demand reveals that within the next 17 years, more than 600,000km of electric lines will need to be either added or upgraded across the UK.”
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/25/race-to-get-uk-electricity-grid-ready-for-net-zero
To which I would say: and the rest.
“Argentina Is Waking up”
“I did not come here to guide lambs. I came to awaken lions”
a Tony Heller video
Javier Milei talks a lot of sense, and some of it seems to be deliberately mis-reported in the MSM. Can he deliver? My view is that like Donald Trump he must try to do what he said he would do, but that’s still no guarantee that he can prevail over Argentina’s swamp.
Interesting times, and I wish Argentina well.
If he learns from the failures of TRUMP! he will immediately replace the Argentine equivalent of the US DOJ with like minded people and begin arresting the corrupt politicians and cornering the corrupt lying media.
Is that a Star Fleet uniform?
Donald Trump was greeted like a rock star at the South Carolina-Clemson football game yesterday.
Trump was escorted out to the center of the field and the crowd roared for him and started chanting USA!, USA!.
I don’t think Biden would have recieved such a welcome.
Let’s go Brandon.
“I don’t think Biden would have recieved such a welcome.”
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I don’t think Biden would have received such a welcome anywhere.
“ greeted like a rock star”
Really?
https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-is-booed-pulling-up-to-clemson-sc-game
What do you want to bet that was an organized radical leftist booing. Trump’s intent to visit the game was given in advance, so the radical left organized a protest.
Big Deal. Par for the course for the left and for the leftwing media to emphasize this leftwing trick as being representative of the public mood.
There will probably be a video of Trump walking out onto the field and all you have to do is listen to the crowd to tell which way the majority of them are going. They aren’t booing, they are cheering.
Trump looked good.
There are radical left left in the US?
And someone who dehumanizes others as vermin maybe shouldn’t be cheered on.
Hi griff/TheFinalNail/MyUsername
Yawn
Yes, we know. Trump is
W O R S E . T H A N . H I T L E R ! !
He writes mean tweets. What did Hitler ever do that was that bad?
At this point no matter what else I might think about OrangeManBad, I love LOVE how much he makes vermin heads explode. Oops now I’m worse than Hitler too!
I take it that you are not in favor of calling a spade a spade.
Yes, the people Trump is calling vermin *are* vermin.
You are talking about Hillary, Joe, and Obama… right !!
It was the CIA doing the booing and chanting and rabble rousing- like they did for months and months in Maidan Square not very least. While handing out money, drugs, molotovs and more money.
Also on Jan 6th, undercover/plainclothes cops were soooo dumb as to use their own bodycams to record themselves helping folks climb fences, break down down doors and generally ‘invade the pace’
Not THE actual CIA considering their track abysmal track record – they renamed themselves as the Department for Democratic Defence (or some such twee & mendacious nonsense)
Like climate science, it’s all so pathetic and childish
So Trump used the cops / CIA to stay in power?
Mr. name: Isn’t that what you predicted Trump would do? And he didn’t. Thank you for adding to the list of failed predictions by the kook left. Your paymaster is calling……
I didn’t predict anything. Just asking.
Wow! Maybe you’re not griff’s latest sockpuppet after all. Not even griff was that dim. Is Trump in power? Is the stumbling cadaver no longer in the White House?
“Is the stumbling cadaver no longer in the White House?”
Seriously you have to be more specific when using terms like this. Did you mean the cadaver Trump or the cadaver Biden. Coz for anyone with half a brain it is obvious they are both well past their “use by’s.”
The difference is that Biden is a dried-up prune who is a stumbling idiot while Trump is still functioning well as a person in his late 70’s who can-do open-air rallies easily and comfortably.
Clearly you don’t watch him speak. In the last few weeks Trump has made numerous errors…..
He thinks he beat Obama in 2016.
During a speech in South Carolina, he confused Jeb Bush and his brother, former President George W. Bush.
During a speech in New Hampshire, he appeared confused about which country Viktor Orban is the president. He thought it was Turkey… It’s not.
Then there was the time recently he thought he was in Sioux Falls… he wasn’t he was in Sioux City.
Then there was the moment where he thought Biden was going to start World War 2.
Again I’m not defending Biden. But you can’t ignore the obvious signs that Trump is loosing it, certainly well beyond what we want in the president of the US.
“…beyond what we want in the president of the US.” I simply can’t understand how you have the nerve to write something like this after voting in Biden. You can’t have it both ways – condemn one, you condemn both and then questions have to be asked about the hypocrisy of voting for Biden.
You really are a silly man aren’t you. Despite what your parents may have told you… ignorance is not a virtue
Childish putdown from be nasty… let’s see… hmmm, yep par for the course. See why you are a Trump supporter.
“ignorance is not a virtue”
And yet, for you, ignorance is the be all and end all of your very existence.
Yet you are always virtue-seeking in your own petty little way.
Talk about cognitive non-functionality. !
Simon you’re in New Zealand if memory serves. In any case, you’re not an American. Now granted I’m not above joking about the former socialist-equine prime minister of NZ (whinny), but in the end I acknowledge that Kiwis deserve to get the sort of bad government that they choose for themselves—and you got it good and hard, didn’t you? How is it any of your affair to direct us on whom we should elect to our government? Bugger off.
“Again I’m not defending Biden. But you can’t ignore the obvious signs that Trump is loosing it, certainly well beyond what we want in the president of the US.” Wow! that’s three lies in one post.
You also are lousy at spelling “loser”.
Couldn’ Edit.
You are also lousy at spelling “losing”.
Simon, you are not very good at recognizing talent.
Trump is by far the best candidate. He has a proven formula for success and we need to get back on that track as soon as possible.
Watch one of Trump’s rallies. You will see he is in complete control of himself while he speaks in front of tens of thousands of supporters. Trump has so much energy he runs his assistants ragged. They can barely keep up with him.
There is nobody like Trump. There may be other conservatives out there that can do a good job but that’s not obvious as nobody is a proven quantity other than Trump. I liked the direction the U.S. was heading under Trump and we need to get back on that path. Trump will put us back on that path.
“anyone with half a brain“
Pity you will never ever reach even a fraction of that capacity !
You mean Biden and the democrat are using the cops, DOJ and CIA to attempt to stay in power.
Or do you have blinkers and ear-muffs on !
Which one is he? A clever manipulator of power, or a senile old fool. Make up your mind.
but once again… I am not a supporter of Biden. He’s gotta go.
He is a senile old fool, being cleverly manipulated.
You could “make-up” the fiction that you or Biden even had a functional mind. !
Biden is and always has been a senile puppet. Who exactly has been in charge is not exactly clear. Obama may be in the chain of command but I seriously doubt that he has ever been the top dog. America has been slowly, systematically dismantled over the past 15 years. The Trump counter-offensive failed. If there’s an Act II of this play, it’s going to require bold action to salvage the nearly destroyed Republic.
Dramatic words. But if Biden is just a puppet, his masters must have been pulling a lot of strings because he has got a lot done. For me…. I’m hoping Haley gets the nod from the right. She seems very level and clear thinking. Be good to have a woman too.
There’s zero chance that Nikki Haley is going to be President and that’s all the same to me. Her positions are not to my taste but she’d still be infinitely better than any Democrat.
The difference between you and me is (in just one particular obviously) that while you consider a vagina to be a political qualification, I consider it entirely irrelevant to the question. You probably also consider melanin skin pigmentation and ancestry to be highly relevant qualifications while I subscribe to the old-fashioned idea that competence and the content of one’s character is all that should be considered.
Well in my opinion, she would be infinitely better than Trump (at least she can string a sentence together and remember who she is running against).
If you want to vote for her Simon, all you gotta do is fly to Mexico and walk across the border.
As far as I’m concerned, 30-plus years of fighting debt-financed wars with no US national interest is just a scam to transfer wealth to the military-industrial complex in which trough Haley has her snout firmly planted.
Trump has never been my cuppa tea either. I like people to speak in complete sentences with the occasional dependent clause. But by God Simon you leftwing globalists are not getting away with weaponizing the judicial system. I’ll vote for Trump even if he’s serving time.
Well said.
How exactly is upholding the law, weaponising the judicial system? If a person breaks the law, that person should be held to account. It’s how the law works, and that the lord it does. It’s also the bit Trump doesn’t seem to get. He thinks because he has money, or influence, or because he is running for president, he is above the law.
“But by God Simon you leftwing globalists are not getting away with weaponizing the judicial system. I’ll vote for Trump even if he’s serving time.”
I think a lot of people are looking at it that way. It’s really the most important reason to vote for Trump. The American people must repudiate the weaponization of the federal government by the radical Democrats and their using the federal government to attack their political opponents.
Our Republic cannot survive the weaponization of the federal government by one political party. If that happens, our Republic becomes a Democrat Dictatorship.
Vote for Trump if you value your personal freedoms
You call it weaponisation, I call it the justice department doing its job. When you have the amount of evidence against Trump that there is, it is hard to argue these court cases should not go ahead. It is so telling that the chief witnesses are people who worked for and with him for so many years. Bill Barr, Cassidy Hutchinson, Sidney Powell, Ken Chesebro, and the most damning of all…. Mark Meadows. It is virtually impossible to conclude that the prosecution would have offered these people plea deals, if they didn’t have a lot to say. Going to be fascinating to watch.
Nikki Haley would be a good choice but she will not get the nomination because Trump is just too far ahead.
Trump is going to be the nominee.
I’ll give you that. He does look to be headed for the nomination. In other news, I see Gavin Newsom is now the second favourite with the bookies to win the Dem nomination. Now I would love to see him debate Trump.
It is also dangerous. The hiding of the Hunter Biden laptop story until after the election, as well as the fifty-two spooks who signed the letter putting it all down them naughty Ruskies, undoubtedly cost Trump the Presidency.
“undoubtedly cost Trump the Presidency.”
Oh and his botching of the covid handling was about as bad as it gets. But at lest you admit he lost I guess. that’s progress.
I’ve been reading up on Effective Altruism in the light of the the Sam Altman floorshow at OpenAI.
In this ‘paradigm’ you have to be a bit of a Jack of all trades – understanding science is only the beginning, you also have to get your head around what is happening in [geo-]political and economic spheres. And along the way you invariably come across some funny and outlandish stuff…
“Causes championed by effective altruists include veganism and even welfare rights for insects.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/11/26/sam-altman-and-the-cult-of-effective-altruism/
Welfare rights for insecta???
“Why should I care about insects?”
It is currently common for people to feel little or no duty of care towards insects…
https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/wZB6ie8iNHF3jfwWT/why-should-i-care-about-insects
Especially ticks, fleas, bedbugs, cockroaches etc etc etc etc.
The only thing to do is retreat into my studio man cave.
You notably left out mosquitos.
Flies… Lord!
Rights for insects? I thought we were going to be eating bugs instead of beef, pork, and chicken. It’s a releif to know my burgers are still on the menu.
China to build an ocean based data center sighting “Other significant savings included 122 million kilowatt-hours of electricity and 105,000 tons of freshwater annually. Submerged data centers can leverage the freezing seawater for natural cooling, which helps reduce operating costs.”
ANYONE WANT TO CALCULATE THE OCEAN WARMING FROM THIS MONSTROSITY? I bet the electrical “savings” is converted into ocean heating.
We won’t hear the climate crisis advocates jump on this.
https://www.tomshardware.com/desktops/servers/china-has-started-building-an-underwater-data-center-performance-is-equivalent-to-6-million-pcs-and-aims-to-save-nearly-ten-soccer-fields-of-land-and-122-million-kwh-of-electricity
Did renowned philosopher of science Michael Polanyi have a realistic view of the scientific community or was it one of an abstract ideal? It may have been valid when he expressed it but perhaps there have been changes.
Of course somebody was going to claim global boiling is going to make cancer worse.
“The climate and nature crisis: implications for cancer control”
https://academic.oup.com/jnci/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jnci/djad221/7444265?login=false
Models are going to save us all and make everything possible:
https://interestingengineering.com/innovation/coal-plants-green-carnot-batteries
The most utter garbage evah = they claim steam at 565 Celsius and 160Bar
If me you anyone goes look for a steam vs temp vs pressure calculator, they don’t go above 219Bar and that gives a steam temperature of 373Celsius. Things simply get crazy above that.
Put that in a proper Carnot formula with turbine input temp of 646Kelvin and a cooling-tower temp of 303Kelvin gets you 46% efficiency
Best ones to date run at about 40% (that 2nd Law is a real bitch)
You can operate a plant to 565C just fine. They are called ultrasupercritical (USC) coal plants for a reason. They operate beyond the water vapor critical point. GE is striving toward 50% efficiency. I have advocated that we replace the aging subcritical plants with these. Having done so we’d have saved quite a lot of CO2, had saved money, and wouldn’t be lloking at all the damage headed our way.
What damage??
“damage headed our way”
Unclear what damage you mean KK?
Better yet, how about mercury vapor as a working fluid? The comic relief moment in my undergrad thermo class was a discussion of the the trade-off between higher efficiency and fatal tube leaks.
From yesterday: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/11/25/the-green-energy-wall-gradually-coming-into-focus/#comment-3820861
Here is the full video. The claim is that once started, the engine runs without generation of any carbon emissions. Thus, no fuel is consumed. The claim is that the energy is derived from vortexed plasmoids. It would seem that this would violate the first law of thermodynamics.
Makes just as much sense as the green house gas effect so why not – what ARE we waiting for……
Less sense.
Far less
non
Unfortunately, I probably don’t need to watch it. Certainly don’t need to.
I’ll admit I like Randall Carlson when he talks about the evidence for ancient mega-floods at the end of the last ice age.
… but then he seems to completely leave the rails with this sort of twaddle.
Colour me disappointed.
There are others also coming from a similar angle. Put words like “energy”, “Nikola Tesla”, and “resonance” in the same sentence and some otherwise sensible people seem to lose their wits.
Sigh.
I feel the same as you but I’m a sucker for big foot stories. Would love to find one someday.
To his credit, Carlson said he needs to study and learn more and will have a more fully formed opinion in six months.
What is it we say about extraordinary claims and evidence?
Let’s see the prototype pumping out power for a few weeks without any fuel input.
Perpetual Motion machine?
I believe you missed the part about the sacred numbers. And the Homer Simpson Effect of plasma donut affinity.
This is an amazing technology. I’m sure the length of the video scared away a lot of folks, but it looks solid and will should change the world. It will put an end to the AGW clown show as soon as it becomes widely understood.
It’s not an energy source although they claim it makes combustion more efficient. It has two outputs cold air and O2. The input is any kind of carbon emissions plus a few things to make it all work.
Any coal power plant (or any fossil fuel) could become carbon emissions free as well as providing free cooling tower input. There would be no reason to replace them. Sounded like one company in India is already working on it.
Same holds true for vehicle emissions if the technology can be made small enough. No EVs required. Should be no problem for larger transport items like trains, boats, planes and large trucks. There would be no need for a radiator as well.
Could power A/C units as well. Run them off gas instead of electricity.
I do wonder if there could be a downside to producing all that O2. Also nothing provided explains what happens to the carbon.
Are you spoofing us Richard M? Or you really have no clue about how energy is extracted from hydrocarbons? The ‘evidence’ presented was that carbon monoxide was eliminated, which implies more complete combustion—more CO2, less O2.
But they did claim oxygen was being generated. Well what sense does that make? A hydrocarbon and air goes in and only air comes out? Where did the hydrogen and carbon atoms go? It’s going to take six months of study to get to the bottom of that?
I let that nonsense run for an hour while I did something more useful but basically it was absolutely ridiculous and obviously was never going to rise above the level of a drunken bar discussion.
I don’t think you understood the process. There is still a working engine burning hydrocarbons. It is just the emissions being processed. The monitor was only measuring CO2 and CO. Both of these went to zero.
I completely agree the internal workings were not discussed very well in this presentation, but the other videos referenced were interesting enough to warrant future consideration.
Keep in mind there was more provided here than we ever had from the ECAT scam. The actual mechanics was described at a high level. Everything is open source so you can build it yourself to test it out. The only thing being sold are licenses which no one would purchase if they couldn’t build an operational device from the open source. This was discussed towards the end of the video. Why would anyone push this technology if it didn’t work?
Maybe you should have watched the last hour.
I should add there is energy also coming out of this process. The emissions themselves are very hot. The O2 that is emitted is at -50 C. So, there is a lot of energy that also needs to be accounted for. Maybe that is what is used to make the combustion “more efficient”. The heat of combustion would no longer be wasted.
There was an interesting article here a few days ago that said that 70,000 people are expected to attend the COP 28 thingee. Taking as a given that COP28 is an enormous waste, I’ve been wondering what is going on in the minds of the attendees.
For the third world attendee from places like Africa or India, it is fairly easy to imagine what they are thinking. They probably think we are fools. And that if our governments and if NGO’s are willing to pay for them to get a free vacation just for pretending to believe in global warming, what the heck, they will take our money. Who knows, maybe they can even convince some naive government into giving their dictators and oligarchs even more money.
For western attendees it is harder to say what motivates them. A large number of them are most likely just useful idiots. Another large group are probably just in it for the free vacation and are totally cynical. A third group, probably a tiny number, are the moral equivalent of religious fanatics who have abandoned science and common sense.
We all know the final outcome of the conference. After spending millions (maybe billions) of dollars and adding enormous amounts of carbon dioxide to the air, they will declare COP 28 a great success and set a date and place for COP 29.
It would be interesting if someone could do a serious objective study of what really is motivating these attendees. What is in their mind? Why are they attending? But of course, even if such a study were actually done it would never be published.
They attend for love, power, and or money. The prostitutes are in for the money.
they are all prostitutes – Every Last One.
Some more traditional than others.
The camp followers.
Yes, probably quite a few of those, too !
Gotta cater for all tastes. !!
Not all.
People flying in on private jets are almost certainly just doing it for sex. With an impressionable acolyte.
Well Davos and COP is only twice a year aren’t people allowed to have some fun now and again ? :-|)
Byrd Station got Very COLD this past August of 2023!
Contrary to what 97% of the Journalists plus John Kerry, the Special Envoy for Climate related Propaganda for the United States of America are saying about the immanent “Melting” of all of Western Antarctica and the devastating Sea Level Rise that it will cause, who are quoting 3 % of the “Scientists” according to the Seminal Study Numbers provided by Cook et. all (2013), it looks like maybe Western Antarctica is not being subjected to 3 or 4 times the “Warming” that is taking place everywhere else on “Planet A”, that of course is “Planet Earth”.
According to this article: Station – Encyclopedia Westarctica
“In recent years the station has recorded a warming trend, with warming fastest in its winter and spring. This location, in the heart of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, is one of the fastest-warming places on Earth.”
Not so fast, says the Data on the ground in Antarctica.
According to the Data provided by Ohio State University:
Reconstructed Byrd temperature record (osu.edu)
And the AMRDC depository at the University of Wisconsin at Madison:
Datasets – AMRDC Data Repository (wisc.edu)
Upon which the table included here is based, it does look like there is a NEW All-Time Cold Record in 2023 for Western Antarctica’s Byrd Station.
August 1983: -42.5 C
August 198:1 -43.0 C
August 1978: -43.7 C
September 1986: -44.7 C
August 2023: -45.54 C
An All-Time Ever Record Cold Month since at least 1957? Maybe so!
Severe snowstorm on the Great Lakes.
Increasingly I’m seeing attacks in studies on food types particularly meat and processed foods. The data is almost aways dodgy. But MSM picks it up as gospel. I also noticed a common sponsor is NIH. Stepping back this appears to be another attack on emissions
Results from a big study on carnivore diets recently came out. Striking was that 100% of the diabetics that required insulin were able to get off of it, and the need for oral medications was greatly reduced. Can’t have that and still maintain pharma profits.
On the surface, it’s about “health”. At one level down, it’s about “emissions” (CO2, methane, nitrogen fertilizers) but at a deeper level it’s about curbing our western way of life. This is never explicitly stated of course, but it’s paving the way for new laws and regulations that will start us down the road to austerity. It’s just one front of a multi-pronged attack on the Age of Reason.
I wonder if milk is on the list?
The price of battery-grade lithium carbonate has crashed in the last 12 months.
This downward pressure is attributed to oversupplied markets in Asia, primarily because the demand of electric vehicles has significantly decreased, due to:
1) high cost of financing (monthly payments),
2) high cost of insurance (3 to 4 times gasoline),
3) stagnant spendable real incomes,
4) lack of driving range, and
5) charging time drawbacks, especially when going on longer trips, having 2 or 3 passengers, hauling loads, driving uphill, all of which are a lot worse in areas with colder climates.
Also, EVs in urban/suburban areas travel less, say 8000 to 9000 miles/y, so the cost/mile is very high
Also, the upstream CO2 of mining, transport, refining materials and building an EV is so high, the little annual travel does not offset the upstream CO2, which means EVs do not reduce CO2 on a lifetime basis.
Also, the life of an EV battery, after 8 x 9000 = 72,000 miles of driving, is about 8 years. No one with any sense would replace an aged battery in an 8-y-old vehicle, at a total cost of $15,000 to $20,000
Since November 2022, the average price of battery-grade lithium carbonate in China plunged from $84,500 per metric ton to $18,630, or about a 78% decline.
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Ford, GM, etc., are curtailing/not expanding EV battery plants
That means fewer EV batteries will be built and fewer EVs will be sold during at least 2024/2025, and likely longer.
Government climate goals will not be achieved, unless subsidies are so high, that EVs, plus chargers all over the US, would be “for free”, and the US would be bankrupt. Click on URL to see image
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According to forecasts from industry consultancy Benchmark Mineral Intelligence, the global lithium market won’t rebalance and return to a deficit until 2028.
General Motors, Honda, LG Energy Solution, and other auto and battery manufacturers have reduced EV manufacturing expansion plans in recent months
This has created a global supply glut for various battery metals.
Bloomberg-NEF’s Allan Ray Restauro said, “With lithium supply growing more next year, we are likely going to see prices falling further, adding, “On the demand side, some regional differences on EV sales have been dragging sentiment down around the industry.”
The world’s second-largest lithium producer, Chilean miner SQM, recently blamed the plunge in lithium prices on excess inventory, especially in Asia.
Plunging prices come as the ‘green’ Wind/Solar/Battery/EV/Heat pump bubble is melting down.
The world’s largest offshore wind farm developer, Oersted A/S, has abandoned several offshore wind projects, and orders for new solar systems and battery systems have dried up.
See below articles
BATTERY SYSTEM CAPITAL COSTS, OPERATING COSTS, ENERGY LOSSES, AND AGING
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging
US/UK 66,000 MW OF OFFSHORE WIND BY 2030; AN EXPENSIVE FANTASY
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/biden-30-000-mw-of-offshore-wind-systems-by-2030-a-total-fantasy
World’s Largest Offshore Wind System Developer Abandons Two Major US Projects as Wind Bust Continues
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/world-s-largest-offshore-wind-system-developer-abandons-two-major
BATTERIES IN NEW ENGLAND?
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/batteries-in-new-england
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Assume, at some future date:
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– CO2-emitting power plants will be shut down, such as fossil fuel, wood burning, refuse burning, etc.
– Nuclear plants, once shut down, will not be replaced
– Hydro plants, about 7% of total NE generation, will remain.
– Wind and solar installed capacity, MW, will be sufficient to provide 100% of average daily demand each day of the year.
https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/resource-mix
NOTE: In this analysis, we ignore hydro, for simplicity
A Wind/Solar Lull Lasting One Day in Winter
If a wind/solar lull occurs, batteries will make up the wind/solar shortfall
Say, at some future date, NE has:
60000 MW of solar, which will produce an annual average of 8700 MWh/h, at CF = 0.35
60000 MW of wind, which will produce an annual average of 21000 MWh/h, at CF = 0.145
During a W/S lull, we assume the production will be only 10% of these values during winter, which frequently has days with very little wind, and snow on panels
We assume NE demand is 21000 MW on a January day, and during that entire day the average W/S output is 2970 MW.
Electricity fed to grid for that day is 24 x (21000 – 2970) = 432720 MWh
The required battery capacity will be (18030 MW) /(432720 MWh/0.45)
There are some design factors that reduce design capacity, but we will ignore them, for simplicity
Tesla recommends not charging more than 80% full, and not discharging less than 20% full
That means the maximum delivered electricity is 0.6 of capacity.
We assume the battery is 75% full, at start of lull, and gets drawn down to 25% full, in 24 hours, i.e., 0.5 of capacity is drawn out of the battery, if we are lucky.
But that 0.5 must be reduced by 10%, due to losses, i.e., 0.45 is fed to HV grid
NOTE: Tesla’s recommendation was not heeded by the owners of the Hornsdale Power Reserve. They added Megapacks to offset rapid aging of the original system, and added more Megapacks to increase the rating of the system. The Hornsdale graph in the article confirms the about 20% round-trip loss and rapid aging
http://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/the-hornsdale-power-reserve-largest-battery-system-in-australia
Battery System Loss: There is about a 20% round-trip loss; from HV grid, step-down transformer, front-end power electronics, into battery, out of battery, back-end power electronics, step-up transformer, to HV grid
That means you have to feed about 20% more into the battery than is delivered, to recharge the battery to desired levels
Capital Cost: All-in, turnkey capital cost of Tesla, Megapack-based system = 432720/0.45 x 1000 kWh/MWh x $575/delivered kWh as AC, 2023 pricing = $553 billion
Double that amount, if the W/S lull lasts two days.
W/S lulls of 5 to 7 days are not uncommon in New England, throughout the year
Dealing with such lulls would require batteries costing about $2.8 to $3.9 trillion, or massive black-outs.
Until about 2020, various people claimed future utility-grade battery system costs will be as low as $250/delivered kWh
If that were the case, the battery cost would be $553 x 250/575 = $240 billion.
Since 2020, Megapack-based, battery-system costs have been increasing to about $575/delivered kWh
Because of continuing high inflation, high interest rates, high materials and energy prices, etc., battery costs likely will not decrease for some years.
Remember, these battery systems last only about 15 years, and age at about 1.5%/y during that time, which increases the loss percent, and reduces the delivered electricity quantity
The recurring replacement cost, about every 15 years, will bankrupt New England
Recharging the Batteries: There must be enough enough wind and solar capacity, MW, plus co-operative wind and solar conditions, to recharge the batteries to about 75% full, in 3 days, in anticipation of a second lull, which could happen a few days after the first.
The battery charging happens, while the battery serves normal battery services, such as:
1) Counteracting the W/S-up/down output, on a less-than-minute-by-minute basis, 24/7/365,
2) Providing electricity during low-W/S periods (such as minor lulls), and during high-W/S periods, when wind turbine rotors are feathered and locked.
Assume weather conditions have significantly improved to increase the W/S output from 2970 MW (during the lull) to 30000 MW, which is well in excess of the 21000 MW demand.
W/S electricity available from HV grid for charging is 9000 MW x 72 h x 0.50 CF, assumed = 324000 MWh, which loads 0.9 x 324000 = 291600 into the battery, which provides 292600 x 0.9 = 262440 MWh to the HV grid
That is significantly less than the required 432720 MWh
That means significant additional wind and solar capacity, MW, is required
See articles for more detail:
BATTERY SYSTEM CAPITAL COSTS, OPERATING COSTS, ENERGY LOSSES, AND AGING
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/battery-system-capital-costs-losses-and-aging
AI helped me design a new hoodie logo.
I’m glad to see that someone has found a use for Artificial Stupidity.
Warmist/alarmists have taken a dive in recent weeks after they realized the world isn’t stumbling in near death throes after the warm burst this year now record snow and cold has descended in some areas while they look on in forlorn silence missing the days when they could make complete fools of themselves over a small warming event.
Meanwhile the utter failure of the AGW bullshit continues:
NO “Lower Tropospheric “hot spot” exist.
NO Positive Feedback Loop exist, which has never happened in the last billion years thus another stupid idea flops totally because it was all made up out of thin air.
Isn’t there anything else these stupid people want to cry over that is a total pile of bullshit?
The first major widespread lake-effect snow event of the season could be highly disruptive for travel from the Upper Midwest to the interior Northeast, with feet of snow possible for some locations.
What you need to know: https://bit.ly/40VCAQm
I have a question about the “hockey stick”.
Is there any explanation given for the slight drift downwards in temperature before it starts rising towards the end of the graph?
I’m really just interested to know how it is explained by the people who believe it represents the truth, not how accurate it actually is.
‘Is there any explanation given for the slight drift downwards in temperature before it starts rising towards the end of the graph?’
Short answer: Fraud.
Long answer: Ignore numerous proxy data sets from around the world that clearly indicate the occurrence of prior warming and cooling events.
A story tip: The Yukon River is heating up! Yes, a river that sends literally billions of tons of ice into the Bering Sea every spring is getting so warm that salmon can no longer navigate it. That’s the reason that subsistence fishing for king and chum salmon has been closed from time to time, destroying the cultures of the Athabascan and Yupik natives. There are a few other factors brought out in the silly article but no mention is made of high seas catches by foreign fleets, particularly the Russians, who share those waters with the US and Canada and the fish themselves.
The ice broke up at Nenana, on the Tanana River, a majority tributary of the Yukon, on May 2, 2023.
“The event is part of a yearly river breakup that signals the end of winter and beginning of spring. For most of the state’s major rivers, breakup was delayed this year by one to two weeks after a particularly cold April. The game originated in 1917 when a group of railroad engineers bet a total of $800 trying to guess the precise date and time when the Tanana River would break up.
Since then, the earliest breakup date was April 14, and the latest was May 20.”
An example of scientific thinking: Back in the ’80s the US Fish and Wildlife chartered a local boat and took an excursion up the Koyukuk River, a remote Yukon tributary. Their comment on return was that the boats used by the natives for traveling from village to village should be limited to small horsepower because the wake produced by big outboards tended to erode the banks. This on a river that each breakup sends enormous amounts of ice downstream wiping out everything in its path. Those guys have zero credibility.
Dr. James E. Hansen in Conversation with Paul Beckwith
““Global Warming in the Pipeline,” “
Biden et al stopped some of the US pipelines.. and blew up the Nord ones…
.. so all the global warming is now gone.
Maybe the US did it- maybe not. Recent claims are that Ukrainians did it. The full story will come out eventually.
Hanson’s efforts to downplay the warming of the 1930’s marks him as a fraud.
First Hansen says 1934 was 0.5C warmer than 1998, then, after cooling began after 1998, Hansen revised his temperature chart and no longer claimed the 1930’s were the warmest decade. Hansen rewrote history to promote the political agenda of Human-caused Global Warming/Climate Change.
it’s pure, deliberate fraud. He knows better. He gave the proper temperature for the 1930’s when politics wasn’t involved, but when climate change politics came into the picture after 1998, he changed his tune.
Climate-driven extreme heat may make parts of Earth too hot for humans
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/10/231009191623.htm
duh…. one degree more and billions of people will just burn up! it’ll be hell on Earth!
the science says so….
I’ve seen several articles in the last few days claiming the Earth is already at the 2.0C tipping point.
I figured it would be covered here at WUWT.
Lots of snow coming down all around. It doesn’t’t feel any warmer with us hitting 2.0C above the average (not that I agree with the claim). 🙂
It rained last night here in north central WK. And it’s the first day of shotgun deer season. The hunters prefer snow on the ground- not deep, just enough for footprints- of deer and other hunters.
That’s a beautiful picture heading this article. Thanks.
I suspect the image could be interpreted in different ways.
The Active Sensing of CO2 Emissions over Nights, Days, and Seasons (ASCENDS): Final Report of the ASCENDS Ad Hoc Science Definition Team doesn’t seem to have been mentioned on WUWT. You can find it here.
Thunderstorms in Australia.
A stationary upper low in the north will provide further waves of frigid air over the Great Lakes.
In the Journal Science, Nov 17 page 762, appears an article on article on Solid Waste emissions. It has this clearly erroneous statement [carbon dioxide (CO2), methane, and nitrous oxide are the primary greenhouse gases] as we all know water vapor is dominate. The situation is really bad when prominent Journal allows it.
World’s Largest Offshore Wind System Developer Abandons Two Major US Projects as Wind Bust Continues
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/world-s-largest-offshore-wind-system-developer-abandons-two-major
EXCERPT
Russia building more nuclear reactors than any other country, IAEA data show
MOSCOW, November 13, 2023
According to the IAEA, a total of 412 nuclear reactors are in operation at power plants across the world, with their total capacity at about 370.2 gigawatts
Russia is building more nuclear reactors that any other country in the world, according to data from the Power Reactor Information System of the International Atomic Energy Agency.
The data show a total of 58 large-scale nuclear power reactors are currently under construction worldwide, of which 23 are being built by Russia. A plant may have up to 4 reactors, usually 1100 MW each
Rosatom is doing the most construction of international nuclear power units.
In Egypt, 4 reactors, each 1,200 MW = 4,800 MW for $30 billion is about $6,250/kW, which includes financing by Egypt $5 billion and by Russia $25 billion
That cost is at least 40% less then US/UK/EU
In Turkey, 4 reactors, each 1,200 MW = 4,800 MW for $20 billion is about $4,200/kW, entirely financed by Russia. The plant will be owned and operated by Rosatom
It is interesting, Rosatom’s direct competitors, according to PRIS data, are three Chinese companies: CNNC, CSPI and CGN.
They are building 22 reactors, but it should be noted that they are being built primarily inside China, and the Chinese partners are building five of them together with Rosatom.
If we talk about the Americans and Europeans, they are lagging behind by a wide margin,” Alexander Uvarov, a director at the Atom-info Center and editor-in-chief at the atominfo.ru website, told TASS.
Floating Offshore Wind in Norway
Equinor, a Norwegian company, just put in operation 11 Hywind, floating offshore wind turbines, each 8 MW, for a total of 88 MW, in the North Sea. The wind turbines are supplied by Siemens
Production will be about 88 x 8766 x 0.5, claimed lifetime capacity factor = 385,704 MWh/y, which is about 35% of the electricity used by 2 Norwegian oil rigs.
The existing diesel and gas-turbine generators on the rigs, will provide the other 65%.
The generators will counteract the up/down output of the wind turbines, on a less than minute-by-minute basis, 24/7/365
The generators will provide almost all the electricity during low-wind periods, and during high-wind periods, when rotors are feathered and locked.
The capital cost of the entire project was about 8 billion Norwegian Kroner, or about $750 million, as of August 2023, when all 11 units were placed in operation.
That cost was much higher than the estimated 5 billion NOK in 2019, i.e., 60% higher
The production cost likely will be about 46 c/kWh, without subsidies, about 23 c/kWh, with subsidies.
In Norway, all work associated with oil rigs is very expensive.
Workers are on the rigs for 6 weeks, and get 6 weeks off, and are paid well over $150,000/y, plus benefits.
Floating Offshore Wind in Maine
If such floating units were used in Maine, the production costs would be even higher in Maine, because of the additional cost of transport, of almost the entire supply, including specialized ships, across the Atlantic Ocean
A high voltage cable would be hanging from each unit, until it reaches bottom, say about 500 to 1000 feet. The cables would need some type of flexible support system
All the cables would be combined into one cable to run horizontally to shore, for at least 25 to 30 miles
Rich Norway people can afford to dabble in such expensive demonstration follies, but the over-taxed, over-regulated, impoverished Maine people would buckle under such a heavy burden, while trying to make ends meet in the near-zero, real-growth Maine economy.
Maine folks need lower energy bills, not higher energy bills.
Floating Offshore Wind Systems in the Impoverished State of Maine
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/floating-offshore-wind-systems-in-the-impoverished-state-of-maine
Offshore Wind Capacity Placed on Operation in 2021
World: During 2021, worldwide offshore wind capacity placed in operation was 17,398 MW, of which China 13,790 MW, and the rest of the world 3,608 MW, of which UK 1,855 MW; Vietnam 643 MW; Denmark 604 MW; Netherlands 402 MW; Taiwan 109 MW
Of the 17,398 MW, just 57.1 MW was floating, about 1/3%
At end of 2021, 50,623 MW was in operation, of which just 123.4 MW was floating, about 1/4%
https://www.energy.gov/eere/wind/articles/offshore-wind-market-report-2022-edition
NOTE: Despite the meager floating offshore MW in the world, pro-wind politicians, bureaucrats, etc., aided and abetted by the lapdog Media, in the impoverished State of Maine, continue to fantasize about building 3,000 MW of 850-ft-tall floating offshore wind turbines by 2040!!
Maine government bureaucrats, etc., in a world of their own climate-fighting fantasies, want to have about 3,000 MW of floating wind turbines by 2040; a most expensive, totally unrealistic goal, that would further impoverish the already-poor State of Maine for many decades.
Those bureaucrats, etc., would help fatten the lucrative, 20-y, tax-shelters of mostly out-of-state, multi-millionaire, wind-subsidy chasers, who likely have minimal regard for:
1) Impacts on the environment and the fishing and tourist industries of Maine, and
2) Already-overstressed, over-taxed, over-regulated Maine ratepayers and taxpayers, who are trying to make ends meet in a near-zero, real-growth economy.
Those fishery-destroying, 850-ft-tall floaters, with 24/7365 strobe lights, visible 30 miles from any shore, would cost at least $7,500/ installed kW, or at least $22.5 billion, if built in 2023 (more after 2023)
Almost the entire supply of the projects would be designed and made in Europe, then transported across the Atlantic Ocean, in specialized ships, also designed and made in Europe, then unloaded at the Maine pre-assembly/staging area, then barged to specialized erection ships, for erection of the floating turbines.
About 200 Maine people would have short-term erection jobs. About 30 Maine people would have long-term O&M jobs
They would produce electricity at about 40 c/kWh, without subsidies, about 20 c/kWh with subsidies, the wholesale price at which utilities would buy from Owners (higher prices after 2023)
https://www.maine.gov/governor/mills/news/governor-mills-signs-bill-create-jobs-advance-clean-energy-and-fight-climate-change-through
The Maine woke bureaucrats are falling over each other to prove their “greenness”, offering $millions of this and that for free, but all their primping and preening efforts has resulted in no floating offshore bids from European developers
The Maine people have much greater burdens to look forward to for the next 20 years, courtesy of the Governor Mills incompetent, woke bureaucracy that has infested the state government
The Maine people need to finally wake up, and put an end to all the climate scare-mongering, which aims to subjugate and further impoverish them, by voting the entire Democrat woke cabal out and replace it with rational Republicans in 2024
The present course leads to financial disaster for the impoverished State of Maine and its people.
The purposely-kept-ignorant Maine people do not deserve such maltreatment
NOTE: The above prices compare with the average New England wholesale price of about 5 c/kWh, during the 2009 – 2022 period, 13 years, courtesy of:
Natural gas-fueled CCGT plants, with low-cost, low-CO2, very-low particulate/kWh
Nuclear plants, with low-cost, near-zero CO2, zero particulate/kWh
Hydro plants, with low-cost, near-zero-CO2, zero particulate/kWh
An active low from the south brings rainfall to eastern Australia.
I’m looking at the graphic of the USCRN anomaly and wondering how they got a 30-year baseline from data that only goes back to Jan 2005?
Just for grins, I plotted the TMAX average annual temps from the data and saw a real nice cooling trend. What are we supposed to be worried about again?