Reconciling with Nature – God and Qantas (Part 1, Arriving London)

Guest essay by Dr. Jennifer Marohasy

There is a tendency, that must be resisted, for 21st century Western scientists to claim every discovery of mass death as a catastrophe and unprecedented – to imagine that the entire Earth is convulsing, when it is not. I am thinking of coral reef scientists such as Terry Hughes from James Cook University who fly in airplanes at great altitude over corals that show signs of bleaching and announce that this is equivalent to the Louvre in Paris burning – the Mona Lisa lost forever.

In fact, the processes that impact the natural world today are arguably no different to what has occurred through geological time – and it is the case that the same coral reef Hughes claimed as being lost forever back in March 2020 was fully recovered within three months, though that was never reported.

Whether it be bleaching of corals at the Great Barrier Reef, or even the eruption of the Hunga Tonga–Hunga Ha’apai Hunga Tonga volcano in the South Pacific on January 15, 2022, there is reason for Western scientists to show more humility in their interpretation of natural phenomenon.

This current excursion to London to be part of the very first conference held by the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC) has caused me to remember the humility of the 19th Century biologists including Charles Darwin and arguably his greatest advocate Thomas Huxley.

Huxley, was not a Christian. He nevertheless famously wrote in a letter to nineteenth century Anglican priest, Charles Kingsley,

My business [which is science] is to teach my aspirations to conform themselves to fact, not to try and make facts harmonise with my aspirations.

Science seems to me to teach in the highest and strongest manner the great truth which is embodied in the Christian conception of entire surrender to the will of God. Sit down before fact as a little child, be prepared to give up every preconceived notion, follow humbly wherever and to whatever abysses nature leads, or you shall learn nothing. I have only begun to learn content and peace of mind since I have resolved at all risks to do this. [End quote]

The eruption of the Hunga Tonga volcano was unprecedented in that it injected more water vapour into the stratosphere than have ever been observed, at least since the satellite record began. A recently published paper in Science explaining the work of Stephanie Evan, concludes that this eruption has caused very rapid depletion of ozone with implications for climate change. I am wondering whether this ozone depletion has contributed to the recent spike in global temperatures as reported by the satellite monitoring program lead by John Christy and Roy Spencer.

We had been warned repeatedly by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that rising sea levels would very gradually wipe small Pacific Island nations from the map of the world thanks to climate change; that they are particularly vulnerable to human-caused emission of carbon dioxide.

Not so the island of Hunga Tonga – Hunga Ha’apai. It wasn’t overtaken by rising sea levels. Rather it blasted itself into the sky! Obliterated in an instant. The massive volcanic eruption caused sonic booms, tsunami waves, spectacular lightning bolts, and a giant umbrella cloud that rose to a height of 30 kilometres and reached 500 kilometres in diameter in less than 2 hours. It also caused a dramatic drop in stratospheric temperatures; has this translated to a spike in global surface and tropospheric temperatures that may persist for some years – but not forever?

I am reminded of the exhaustingly long novel Hawaii by James Michener who was my favourite author growing-up – it begins with comment about the relentless surge of the universe, the violence of birth, the cold tearing away of death; and yet how promising was the interplay of forces as an island struggled to be born, vanishing in agony.

Yet since the twentieth century a hubris has developed within scientific communities in the West, and they now tell us that an extraordinary commitment from humanity is needed to save the Earth from imminent catastrophe. In particular, we are told that the processes driving climate change today are fundamentally different from anything that has ever occurred in the past.

The idea that something is fundamentally different in nature to anything that has gone before, and particularly with concern to climate, is a bold claim. Not least of all because it is possible to find evidence of tremendous upheavals in the strata of the earth’s crust including extensive ridges of dead coral stretching almost the length of Queensland, the gigantic bones of extinct dinosaurs from a time when the Earth was warmer and sea levels higher, and in more recent strata the bones of giant also now-extinct wombats from a time when it was much colder and sea levels were 120 metres lower that was also when there really was so much mass death of corals.

There were nineteenth biologists, working within the Judeo-Christian cultural tradition including Thomas Huxley (who did not identify as Christian), who went to great lengths to differentiate themselves from the then ‘catastrophists’ by insisting that the causes now in action are sufficient to explain the current distribution of living organisms, fossils and rocks and landforms – even huge erratics whose distribution had previously been used as evidence for supernatural intervention causing mass flooding.

The principle became known as uniformity as champion by the geologist Charles Lyell, who had a tremendous influence on the work of Charles Darwin. These Christian scientists (who include Charles Darwin but not Thomas Huxley), attempted to explain geological and evolutionary change in terms of existing causes.

Twentieth century evolutionary biologist, Stephen Jay Gould, suggested this was in essence an acceptance that natural processes are constant across time and space: the past is to be explained by processes acting currently in time and space rather than inventing extra esoteric or unknown processes without good reason, otherwise known as parsimony or Occam’s razor.

Change is typically slow, steady, and gradual. There may be catastrophes including volcanic eruptions, earthquakes and floods, but these are strictly local. They neither occurred in the past nor shall happen in the future, at any greater frequency or extent than they display at present. In particular, the whole earth is never convulsed at once!

To understand this requires some humility and also some patience and attention to detail. And also, a capacity to organise the evidence in such a way that the recurrent cycles have an opportunity to emerge, which they do most often first regionally. But this is becoming more and more difficult to discern as the official data, especially the measures of global temperature, are continually remodelled or otherwise corrupted.

I am now in London after a somewhat challenging and long plane trip that began with the notification that the first, of my three flights, was delayed. In fact, it would arrive in Brisbane sometime after the scheduled departure of my second flight. On the Qantas app I was assured that his discrepancy had been noted, and that the team at Qantas was monitoring the situation. Monitoring?

Such was the situation Friday night, as I attempted a few hours’ sleep before my Saturday morning departure from Rockhampton, a regional centre just a little to the west of Keppel Island, part of the Great Barrier Reef fringed by those corals that Terry Hughes flew over back in March 2020 making the false analogy with the Louvre burning.

Saturday morning, I awoke to the news that rather than reconciling the discrepancy in departure and arrival times into Brisbane, Qantas had decided to not even continue to monitor, it was now cancelling my entire schedule of flights to London and return, and was instead offering me a refund; if only I would click the relevant button. That I knew would be the end of this opportunity to visit London and learn about ARC and the emerging politically conservative leadership hoping for a revival of some of the best in the Western Christian tradition.

I had just learnt that one of the founding members of ARC, Mike Johnson, a committed Christian, originally a southern Baptist, now described as an evangelical Christian, was the newly elected Speaker of the House of Representatives in the United States. He is a man fearful that our moral, cultural, spiritual, and economic heritage needs renewal – or it will be replaced. He is also a foundation member of the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship (ARC) though I am not sure he will be in London for this first conference.

The ARC website repeats the claim that,

The arc of the moral universe is long, but bends toward justice.

It has emerged as one of their guiding principles.

If this is indeed the case, then the deceit that has overtaken Western science over the last 100 years can perhaps be reversed. Not only could there be an acceptance that evolution is real, but that science can not be successful and also downstream of a culture that has no regard for integrity and in particular reliability. There will begin to be a realisation amongst my colleagues, I hoped, that we must even unpack and examine the official temperature statistics, and also what it is to be a woman.

The corruption as it pertains to the historical empirical temperature data, must stop along with the increasing unreliability even of what is understood by biological gender. There will need to a differentiation of what is real and what is fiction. This is fundamental to science and also the survival of Western cultural traditions that facilitated the birth of modern Western science as well as the Louvre and all its art work.

If a new movement of conservatives is to save Western civilisation, it will need to acknowledge the central role that science has played as a force for good over the last four centuries and that this has always involved immersion in the detail. Always.

Central to science is evidence, and it has never been found in official statistics. Conservative economists and scientists need to accept this and desist with their claims that we must work from the official science, from the official statistics. This has been long been a claim of Bjorn Lomborg and implicit in his work, so far.

That I query and reject many of the official climate statistics has caused many to suggest that I am lost down rabbit holes, not seeing the wood from the trees, as the Louvre burns.

I would argue that there can be no denying the official global temperature reconstructions that have become the symbol of catastrophism. They must be unpicked, however, tedious that undertaking because it is being repeatedly claimed that there is no greater moral issues confronting the West today, than climate change, with the global temperature reconstruction showing continuous warming since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution a rallying symbol. This issue of understanding and addressing rising temperatures is claimed to be paramount to addressing issues of justice as well as economics. So, we must have our own story as it relates to the historical temperature record.

It is not enough, as so many sceptics try and explain otherwise to me, that I should accept the current official temperature measurements because we can still use them to show there is nothing exceptional about the current rate and magnitude of climate change; work from the remodelled data or otherwise using the satellite record of temperature change even if it only begins in 1979. I reject this approach. There must be integrity from the beginning, and the beginning must go back more than 100 years, and after that more than 1,000 years, and after that more than 140,000 years. (I will explain the significance of this in Part 3, if not Part 2 of this new series.)

Unpicking that which is unreliable will require some patience and a new plan with a new beginning. And so, I was determined to be patient, and did not click the refund button on my Qantas app. As I watched and waited, and refused to admit defeat, my Qantas app eventually came up with an alternative, it would reroute me via Dubai.

I did eventually arrive here in London. Qantas eventually transferred my booking to Emirites – but only after I first flew to Brisbane on trust. When I got to London, I was so tired I decided to get into a taxi rather than try and remember from which train station I would need to transfer from the Elizabeth line if I was to make it to Docklands – only for the Motorway as we exited Heathrow to be suddenly closed to traffic from the south; that is rare commented my London cabbie. But apparently not unprecedented. There must have been a fatality, he commented, but hopefully not mass death I thought.

I made it to the hotel, eventually, only to be told there was no booking, at least not under my name. But eventually I was given a card to a room. I’m hoping tomorrow will be better. I am hoping that I will find John Roskam in the foyer of this hotel bright and early. He tells me he knows how to get a tube to the ARC conference venue, you can find some of the program for the next three days here.

If only I can now get some sleep except it is already 5 am in London, even if it is still dark. The Sun will hopefully be shining tomorrow, eventually.

* I have only just posted this note, my part 1, and I have an email already protesting that, ‘The whole earth was convulsed at once when the dinosaurs died. … that event was caused by an object from space that shifted the crust of the earth. Before that event, all land was tropical …’
Perhaps.
I encourage discussion in the thread following.
And for me discussion is best when it includes detail.
What do I mean by ‘at once’. How long is a time frame that refers to ‘at once’?

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Ed Zuiderwijk
October 31, 2023 2:27 am

Looking forward to part 2.

sanaerchi
October 31, 2023 3:06 am

Is it possible the increased water vapor in the upper atmosphere increased the global temperature?

Peta of Newark
Reply to  sanaerchi
October 31, 2023 12:00 pm

No, Wherever water does anything on this Earth, it is Cooling.

In the very far upper atmosphere (Stratosphere) it would have raised the Emissivity figure and so immense amounts of energy out into space.

There is a downside though, that water vapour (contrary to claims made by Climate Science) – water vapour directly absorbs sunlight.

Thus: At very best all we can speculate/project/model or wild-ass-guess is that, on balance, it make no difference what so ever.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
October 31, 2023 12:01 pm

…..so *dumped immense…..

observa
October 31, 2023 3:06 am

That’s all very well but my touchphone shows unprecedented dooming from around the globe every hour of the waking day…..

Willy
October 31, 2023 3:16 am

Very well written and fun to read. On a substantive note, I’m not sure that I understand the comment around ‘evolution can be accepted as real’ and how that follows from ARC.

Fran
Reply to  Willy
October 31, 2023 11:14 am

Is it possible she is referring to the fact that the new Speaker in the US is from a Christian tradition that does not accept evolution?

Drake
Reply to  Fran
November 1, 2023 9:02 am

Evolution of Homo Sapiens is still just a theory.

The theory is still awaiting the “missing link” that transitions apes to humans.

The scientific method requires the theory, which was presented as a hypothesis, to be proven, and it has yet to be proven for Homo Sapiens.

I am not a religious person. I do, however, “believe” that the very existence of life on earth is an amazing thing. Random actions of atoms combining randomly into molecules, then to longer strings of molecules then to lifeforms has yet to be explained by “science”.

The general theory of science is that “nature” trends toward LESS order, not MORE.

Of course like “AGW” now called “climate change” which “97% of scientists” have formed a consensus as “true” and to have been caused by man made CO2, the “belief” in evolution of modern man from the ape is also just a “consensus” with no scientific proof.

SO, scientifically, I am still waiting for some scientific answers, and do not fall into either “BELIEF” system, creation OR evolution.

BTW, isn’t it amazing that ANY dog can be bred with any other dog, wolf, coyote, dingo, etc. and through successive selective breeding STILL produce any of ALL of the “breeds” of dogs extant? That the chromosome strings of EVERY dog contains all that is needed to produce every OTHER dog breed? Wow, I just have to say WOW.

Just sayin.

Tony_G
Reply to  Drake
November 1, 2023 10:52 am

The general theory of science is that “nature” trends toward LESS order, not MORE.

Without getting into evolution specifically, I believe that it is more disorder generally, which allows for the formation of more order locally in exchange for that greater general disorder.

I think it’s chaos theory that gets into the details on this. I’ve read a bit on that. I think weather systems may represent a good example of this in action.

strativarius
October 31, 2023 3:56 am

“there is reason for Western scientists to show more humility in their interpretation of natural phenomenon.”

And there is a career driven reason why Western scientists don’t ditch the arrogance and the hubris. Just two words can make the chances of getting that research grant that much better, almost guaranteed even.

“a committed Christian”

Most of them are these days (geddit?), for the CoE has thrown its faith out of the stained glass window to make itself relevant, up to date… and predictably enough, woke.

“A Christian pastor who was arrested after he preached from the Bible said yesterday he had been treated ‘shamefully’. John Sherwood, 71, was led away in handcuffs, questioned in a police station and held overnight after being accused of making homophobic comments outside Uxbridge Station in west London.

The grandfather claimed he was left bruised after police pulled him from a mini-stepladder he was using and cuffed his hands behind his back. “
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9521123/Moment-police-arrest-elderly-preacher-71-street-quoting-homophobic-statements-Bible.html

Not a single man or woman of the cloth protested, let alone a bishop. And it isn’t the only arrest by a long chalk. What counts now is how many trans and gay priests are in the ranks. Christianity is dead, it just doesn’t know it yet.

A new movement of Conservatives? I thought so when Liz Truss became PM, but not now. Not for at least a couple of decades. Parliament is full of PPEs, spads, advisors and the work shy. If you want to know just what a fnuck up it all is check out the Covid enquiry. Rather than get to the heart of the matter – the shameful own goals of lockdown – it’s a whatsapp storyline of bitching and hate and missing messages.

London isn’t the best place to be since it kicked off in Israel. You can guess which ‘community’ is causing trouble.

Duane
October 31, 2023 3:59 am

There is a term for what ails the warmunists and their followers: “Catastrophizing”.

Per Psychology Today https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/catastrophizing

Catastrophizing is a cognitive distortion that prompts people to jump to the worst possible conclusion, usually with very limited information or objective reason to despair. When a situation is upsetting, but not necessarily catastrophic, they still feel like they are in the midst of a crisis.

Lack of humility as Jennifer points out is a dominant weakness of the warmunists. They say they believe that mankind controls the fate of the planet, that we and we alone possess the “temperature knob” of the Earth, and only if we turn it down can we be saved.

Humans also naturally suffer from a tendency to believe in conspiracies, whether on the left or the right. That certain humans are perfectly capable of conspiring to bring about evil societal consequences by their sheer power to act competently, which of course totally ignores human performance shortfalls. Warmunists believe oil companies and capitalism want to destroy our planet.

These are all human mental defects totally divorced from the realities of the physical world and universe that we live in. Alas for the catastrophists, reality always prevails … and the catastrophists never learn, and are never held accountable for their wrongheaded attempts to subvert reality to their ideology.

Fran
Reply to  Duane
October 31, 2023 11:21 am

Catastrophizing used to be considered a serious psychological problem leading to inability to act (ie, freezing) or irrational uncontrolled responses. Seems to describe “climatistas” perfectly.

Ben Vorlich
October 31, 2023 4:07 am

I hope your stay in London goes smoothly and uninterrupted by the various demonstrations that are happening there daily at the moment.

I fear that your wsh for sunshine may go unheeded as Storm Ciaran is approaching. It must be bad as the “There’s no hurricane” forecast by Michael Fish was given a re-run last night along with record low air pressure predictions, wet ground and pre-leafdrop trees meaning that fallen/falling trees are more likely.

strativarius
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 31, 2023 5:36 am

Storm Ciaran”

Or as they said in Michael Fish’s day, a storm is approaching…..

Richard Page
Reply to  strativarius
October 31, 2023 6:54 am

Or in Terminator “He says there’s a storm coming.”

general custer
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 31, 2023 6:02 am

It seems that the advances in current science includes giving first names not only to huge, powerful hurricanes but also fairly innocuous rain falls. At one time mildly spectacular weather events were identified by the date on which they took place. Now they are given a name, as if that will cement their place in weather history or even contemporary discussion. It snowed here last night. I make a motion that this phenomenon be called “Snow Joe” after the sitting president of the US. In the future notable snow, rain or wind occurrences could be named after deceased politicians, dignitaries, heroes, entertainers or even scientists.

Epping Blogger
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 31, 2023 9:03 am

I suppose they started naming storms out of envy for the USA and other places that have named hurricanes. Or was it to give the impression they are more frequent and more vigorous than hitherto.

I am waiting for a name series for “slightly breezy [name]” and “quite chilly [name]” to appear on what purport to be weather forecasts. They are, in fact, catastrphe reports. It is hillarious to note that a temperature report of (say) 25 celcius has been described as a nive warm day whereas a forecast of (say) 28 celcius is described in apocolyptic terms (always carry water, put on sun block, watch out for neighbours and wildlife, etc).

Elliot W
Reply to  Epping Blogger
November 1, 2023 11:44 am

Not true! Brits get their knickers in a knot at 25C (77F), insisting they should have free air conditioning at such an outrageously high temperature! * eye roll *

Bruce Cobb
October 31, 2023 5:06 am

Part of the Alarmist’s deceit is that it puts on a lab coat, pretending to be doing science. Then, adding insult to injury, they paint anyone who objects with the “denier” label. What they are doing is a full-on assault on science itself. Those who go along with it are rewarded with careers and lauded as “heroes”, while those who are simply interested in the truth are painted as villains. In short, what we have is Evil posing as Good, and this Evil has permeated everything, including religion itself, though certainly there are pockets which oppose it.
I wish I knew how this all ends. But I do know that Science and Truth have to soldier on, despite the enormous forces being pitted against it. The future of humanity is at stake.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 31, 2023 5:26 am

I’ve had several conversations with True Believers in CAGW, and they frequently accuse me of not being a Climate “Scientist” when I confront them with inconvenient facts.

strativarius
Reply to  Graemethecat
October 31, 2023 5:42 am

Counter that easily by pointing out that they are utilising a common logical fallacy, namely: argumentum ad verecundiam (argument from authority)

Just because somebody said so….

Tony_G
Reply to  strativarius
October 31, 2023 7:40 am

by pointing out

If they aren’t using logic to begin with, that won’t accomplish anything.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Tony_G
November 1, 2023 3:49 pm

Maybe – but then again it may confuse them if you don’t explain what it means. Tell them to look it up. And gently sneer at them for their ignorance.

Logical fallacies are great at stopping people in their tracks – especially when you use the Latin name. Be ready to spell it for them. salt in the wound.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Graemethecat
October 31, 2023 6:12 am

tell them about Climategate- but of course, they will not have heard of it- as it’s verboten to mention in the MSM

then tell them to read Unsettled by Koonin and mention that many climate scientists and world famous physicists don’t agree with the climate catastrophe idea

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 31, 2023 9:20 am

In the local newspaper comments, I suggested a catastrophist read Koonin and this was his response

Genuine climate scientists dismiss Koonin’s climate commentary as “a litany of discredited arguments”. 

“A rubble of false or misleading claims from the standard climate skeptics’ canon”.

So you can’t fix stupid.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 31, 2023 11:57 am

I mentioned Koonin to my nephew- and he gave me the same response. But I’m slowly getting through to him.

Genuine climate scientist? WTF??

If they only read his book- they’ll see he doesn’t come across as a rabble rousing denier. He’s very level headed with very sound arguments. He doesn’t deny anything. His book is full of quotes from the IPCC work.

The problem with climate science- it’s not just about science- it’s about resources- it’s about some people and some organizations and institutions benefiting from the consequences of this struggle- and some losing. The same happens with every debate and discussion having to do with “natural resources”- that is forestry, wildlife mgt., mining and the landscape.

Hate to say it- but Marx said it’s all about class warfare and that’s what the climate “debate” is- its about class warfare, not “science”.

I also like Koonin because he doesn’t attack any groups- doesn’t insult anybody. He’s got a nice grandfatherly style. Anyone who won’t even look at Koonin’s work is truly comparable to a hardcore religious fanatic.

Joseph Zorzin
October 31, 2023 6:08 am

Twentieth century evolutionary biologist, Stephen Jay Gould, suggested this was in essence an acceptance that natural processes are constant across time and space: the past is to be explained by processes acting currently in time and space rather than inventing extra esoteric or unknown processes without good reason, otherwise known as parsimony or Occam’s razor.

But… Gould broke with that idea of “processes acting currently in time and space”. He came up with “punctuated equilibrium”. It was Charles Lyell and James Hutton et. al. who came up with uniformitarianism. Punctuated equilibrium is now the consensus- though I hate to use that word in the context of a climate discussion. 🙂

MCourtney
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 31, 2023 7:40 am

Ice Ages happen.
And sometimes, they don’t.
Punctuated Equilibrium.

scvblwxq
Reply to  MCourtney
October 31, 2023 8:59 am

The Earth is still in an Ice Age named the Quaternary Glaciation, in a warmer but still cold interglacial period that alternates with very cold glacial periods.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation

Editor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 31, 2023 7:58 am

Zorin ==> I am working my way, once again, through Darwin. In the longest time frame, processes do act constantly through time and space. It is only when we try to understand the physical history of Earth that we are tempted to break time into “periods” which may not be anything other than part-and-parcel of the constancy of the natural processes.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Kip Hansen
October 31, 2023 8:36 am

Snowball Earth, advance of continental glaciers, giant comets like the one that wiped out the dinosaurs are not processes acting constantly through time and space which is why we didn’t know about them until relatively recently. So the Earth has had both- slow changes most of the time and fast changes rarely, both in the structure of the Earth and evolution of life.

But there’s nothing in all of that to support the climate catastophists because a trivial change in temperature- even if it’s true- is just that- trivial compared to other events in Earth’s history. I suppose that’s Jennifer’s theme. Nothing to see here. 🙂

Editor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
November 1, 2023 5:04 pm

Joseph ==> i don’t think we disagree — I speak from the perspective of non-linear dynamical systems (which the Earth System writ-large is certainly is the result of many of these systems acting in unison and opposition) which will exhibit just the features you speak of.

I wrote a series as a primer on Chaos years ago.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 2, 2023 3:35 am

OK, got it. The Earth certainly is what you say. I did read the book Chaos years ago but the math was a bit over my head. Way back in high school I was a top science/math student and was headed for a career in math or physics- but, it was the ’60s and I ended up deep in the forests for 50 years. I can’t remember why because if you remember the 60s you weren’t there. 🙂

My experience of the forests is that they are indeed non-linear dynamical systems! One of our jobs as foresters is to predict the future of a forest- whether we leave it alone, or interfere with it by altering it to harvest useful wood products. And we’re suppossed to be able to predict how it’ll change and even calculate the economic value over time. Not easy! 🙂

Editor
October 31, 2023 6:57 am

Dr. Marohasy ==> Absolutely marvelous. Well said. Couldn’t be better. Thank you.

Ignore the nit-pickers and the irrelevant attacks from the unlearned that will follow, as they always do when someone speaks the truth in today’s world.

Standing with you,
Kip Hansen

Janice Moore
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 1, 2023 1:13 pm

Indeed! (((applause))) Always bear in mind the principle: “Don’t dignify nonsense with a response.”

Save your time and strength for worthwhile, genuine, questions/comments.

And, HAVE A LOVELY TIME! 😀

Richard Page
October 31, 2023 7:07 am

I’m intrigued by the comment; ‘The whole earth was convulsed at once when the dinosaurs died… that event was caused by an object from space that shifted the crust of the earth. Before that event, all land was tropical…’
So the whole earth was not convulsed, only a small region (again, regional), the dinosaurs didn’t die, most downsized and their descendants are still, annoyingly, waking me up at dawn; nothing shifted the earths crust, nor even dented it much – if it had we’d likely be the Solar systems 2nd asteroid belt now. As for the ‘tropical’ bit, the earths surface was ‘tropical’ after the event as well – it just took a while to recover from a thick layer of dust, blocking the sun and cooling things down. Cold weather is your answer there – cold and lack of sunlight killed off the ‘tropical’ plants meaning only the smaller dinosaurs would have been able to survive.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Richard Page
October 31, 2023 8:30 am

Well last week a study said it was the 800,000 years of volcanism in the Deccan Traps that was most responsible for finishing off the dinosaurs – the asteroid was just the coup de grace. This week another study says it was the dust and debris thrown into the atmosphere by the collision that cooled the planet and finished the dinosaurs off. Next week……..

MarkW
Reply to  Dave Andrews
October 31, 2023 10:36 am

Then again, there’s the possibility that the asteroid created the Deccan Traps.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  MarkW
October 31, 2023 1:19 pm

Using the data from the Tanis site in North Dakota, it should be possible to map how the impact shockwaves traveled through Earth. If the Deccan Traps area was a place where shockwaves reinforced each other, that could have cracked a thin area above a magma chamber, or further opened up an existing volcanic zone.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  Dave Andrews
October 31, 2023 1:16 pm

The Tanis site in North Dakota is as yet the only site where fossils have been found *right on* the K-T (or K-Pg) boundary caused by the Yucatan impact. The shockwaves through the earth traveled faster than the shockwaves through the air, causing the inland sea to slosh. That inundated the Tanis site, rapidly killing land animals and washing large amounts of water animals onto the land.

The dead animals were quickly buried by debris thrown up by the impact. Large numbers of impacts from pieces of rock have been found there. Another interesting find at Tanis is that some small burrowing animals survived and dug down through the initial debris layer, only to be buried in their burrows by the large amounts of dust which precipitated out of the atmosphere in the days to weeks after the impact.

The finds at Tanis show the Yucatan impact shook the whole Earth, probably was felt by animals all over the planet. Paleontologists should be looking for more K-T fossil deposits at sites near where bodies of water were at the distance of the Tanis site or closer to the impact site.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Richard Page
October 31, 2023 10:11 am

Before that event, all land was tropical…’

I have never encountered this concept and wonder where it originated. Jenn says in an email.
I cannot imagine an Earth/Sun relationship that would produce such a thing. Maybe I need a drink.

To Jennifer — Thanks for the essay and you have my sympathy for your travel difficulties.

Richard Page
Reply to  John Hultquist
October 31, 2023 12:35 pm

I assumed it meant the warmer period in the Cretaceous, but there were warm periods after the time of the big dinosaurs as well.

abolition man
October 31, 2023 7:51 am

Thank you Dr. Jennifer! (Surely one of the most feminine of names!)
It is hopeful to see the genesis of ARC; a group that appears to include both conservatives and classical Liberals. I have enjoyed watching YouTube videos from the conference for the last few days, and look forward hopefully to watching your presentation!
We climate realists must join hands with other right thinking groups to help restore the rule of law, individual liberties, and, especially, the scientific method to the capstone of Western Civilization! The spread of Marxist mind viruses throughout our institutions can only be countered by a patient reiteration of the truth, and the gently urging of Catastropists to awaken from their nightmared slumber!

Scissor
October 31, 2023 8:20 am

When in doubt, take the Heathrow Express to Paddington Station.

scvblwxq
October 31, 2023 8:51 am

In the past, Little Ice Ages were followed by warming lasting many years.

DocSiders
October 31, 2023 1:48 pm

From the Atricle: “The arc of the moral universe is long, but bends toward justice.”

The arc has definitely taken a mighty U-Turn as all of Western Institutions have been corrupted. Truth has taken a back seat so far back that it’s no longer even on the bus. Lying and Propaganda and Censirship (of sincere qualified skeptics) are everywhere in Science and Academia…to the point that DEFUNDING BOTH Institutions might be the only way to save Civilization.

Bob
October 31, 2023 3:27 pm

The CAGW crowd have made a living by telling lies, half truths and cheating. It has to end. Lying and cheating are not okay.

Pragmatic
October 31, 2023 3:56 pm

Well said Ms Marohasy
I particularly like your framing of science in the context of Judeo-Christian morality. I do not originate from a country of Judeo-Christian values but have no doubt that they represent the highest conception of truth that must be defended and built upon by good, honest Science. There are excellent shoulders to stand on in the pursuit of truth – from the meta-physical philosophy of Augustine and Aquinas to the material physics of Newton, Pascal and others down the ages.

Thanks to all here who labor in the pursuit of truth – one of the few places to find sound counterpoint to the current “woke herd”.

gezza1298
October 31, 2023 5:35 pm

Very unscientific but….welcome to London Dr Marohasy and I hope you enjoy your stay here. I also hope that the ARC conference is good and worth the effort of all that hassle getting here.

Streetcred
October 31, 2023 10:02 pm

Jennifer, with all the negativity that has been written locally and examined by the Senate about Qantas you still tried your luck booking with them? There’s a limit to loyalty that was crossed a long time ago with Qantas. I implore you to in the future fly with Qatar Airways to experience why Qantas will struggle for relevance going forward.

Janice Moore
November 1, 2023 1:10 pm

There must be integrity from the beginning.

Yes!

Good for you to refuse to compromise.

Half-truths will NEVER win in the battle for bona fide science. Half-truths only create a lukewarm, muddy, swamp. Result: the battle for truth takes years and years longer.

Only those who stand to gain (cui bono) from the battle continuing (e.g., periodicals or blogs needing the controversy to continue or twisted temperature products that use kriging)

or

who stand to gain from the science realists losing the war (e.g., solar or wind or EV scammers, who will use the Precautionary Fallacy enabled by lukewarmism)

push half-truths.

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