Comments on: Britain’s Net Zero Disaster and the Wind Power Scam https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:22:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: ethical voter https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836484 Mon, 25 Dec 2023 01:22:47 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836484 Yes. Communism collapsed because of the immutable laws of economics and the inevitable exhaustion of other peoples money. And yes. Net zero and the climate madness will do the same. However when communism collapsed the fascist control freek part of humanity simply moved camp into the climate circus. When this circus collapses they will be looking for a new home. This must not happen. They must never find their feet again. To this end I exhort every person who has the freedom to vote to vote only for individuals and eschew all those who would gather you behind a banner of any sort. These people will be the new fascists and control freaks. Individualism is the right and proper antithesis of communism. Your individualism and your power to express it in your vote is the only hope.

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By: Bob https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836421 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 22:41:29 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836421 Excellent report.

“Unlike in business and finance, there are no criminal or civil penalties for those who promote policies based on fraud and misrepresentation.”

This is exactly why government should never be in charge of the production of anything and if they are they need to be held to the same level of accountability as everyone else.

One more thing all the technical, academic, scholastic, professional or whatever language needs to be toned down. This report was good. The fact that some bureaucrat can tell us renewable is cheaper than conventional generation and feel justified because he uses gibberish that no one can understand and measuring standards that aren’t relevant is unacceptable. There is one standard that everyone can understand concerning cost of generation and that is did my power bill go up or down. If you tell me renewables are cheaper and charge me more for my power you should be put in prison after a trip to the woodshed.

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By: cgh https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836396 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:49:01 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836396 In reply to quelgeek.

I’m confused. Why would anyone believe anything from John Gummer? He was and is a serial liar whose principal claim to fame was to be part of the John Major political coup that betrayed and overthrew Margaret Thatcher in 1990.Gummer was the Minister who was responsible for mishandling so very, very badly the BSE disaster in 1989-90.

Wikipedia attempts to conceal most of this, but there’s a limit to how much even Wiki can polish a turd like Gummer.

But you are entirely right about China. It’s contribution to global air pollution has risen in lockstep with China’s increasing economic dominance in global trade via the World Trade Organization. Perhaps the single biggest step in reducing CO2 emissions might be breaking up the WTO.

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By: ralfellis https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836380 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:18:44 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836380 No mention of stored backup.
Energy storage doubles the cost of renewables.

Renewables cannot work without backup energy, which is currently gas (methane). The UK needs 25,000 gwh of stored energy, for when gas generators are phased out, and we only have 12 gwh.

Ralph

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By: RickWill https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836372 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:12:32 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836372 In reply to Neil Lock.

There are very few Australians who understand the Renewable Energy Target.

The scheme sets up electricity retailers as the bagmen for the subsidy farmers building wind and solar generators. Currently, every virtuous MWh of “renewable” electricity garners government sanctioned theft of $50 from consumers to be handed over to the subsidy farmers. The level of theft peaked at $90/MWh before 2020. But the 20% target by 2020 was achieved. That meant that only 20% of the electricity was virtuous. The updated 2030 target is 40%. So consumers will have to fork out the $50/MWh or more for 40% of their electricity by 2030. It goes up to 80% by 2050.

Large numbers of Australians who own a roof have joined the Ponzi scheme so they are now thieving from poorer consumers who do not own a roof.

Without substantial storage, the “renewable” market in Australia is already saturated. More capacity just leads to lower capacity factors. This will be the case for some years. So the current $50/MWh of sanctioned theft will rise astronomically as the Renewable Target departs from what is possible.

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By: Paul Hurley https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836365 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 21:02:53 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836365 In reply to 2hotel9.

Nah, just exile them to an isolated island. An island free of fossil fuels and the products derived from fossil fuels. There they can live a carbon-free existence.

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By: Ben_Vorlich https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836364 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:55:42 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836364 In reply to Rich Davis.

Where are the renewable enthusiasts now?
1. Enthusiasm
2. Disillusionment
3. Panic
4. Search for the Guilty
5. Punishment of the Innocent
6. Praise and Honors for the Non-Participants

I’d guess some at 2., with a few at 3, and the majority still at 1.

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By: RickWill https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836363 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:55:36 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836363 In reply to Joseph Zorzin.

Coal burnt in China is virtuous. It is blessed by the UN so is not pollution; rather plant food. How would the west be woke if China did not make all the woke stuff like wind generators, solar panels, batteries and just about everything else the west needs for its transition to poverty.

And China needs to pump out all the CO2 it can to stay warm.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/chinas-cold-snap-reaches-shanghai-with-chilliest-year-end-in-40-years/ar-AA1lOXUB

SHANGHAI (Reuters) – Shanghai was set to record its chilliest period in December in four decades with weather warnings for low temperatures and wind issued on Thursday, as the Chinese financial capital entered a days-long cold snap.

Imagine how much colder China would be if they did not have that thick plume of CO2 aver them retaining all the heat.

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By: Ben_Vorlich https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836357 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:49:41 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836357 In reply to Richard Page.

He’ll have Ed Miliband doing the heavy lifting on Climate Change.

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By: Ben_Vorlich https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836355 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:46:10 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836355 In reply to Rich Davis.

Seems to affect Climate Science too

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By: Tom Abbott https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836351 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:34:11 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836351 In reply to Joe Crawford.

Another unsubstantiated assertion by Katherine Hayhoe. It’s what she does.

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By: Richard Page https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836343 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 20:13:57 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836343 In reply to ResourceGuy.

There is a mindset among some politicians that we no longer need tanks, or many troops – that drones, one or two planes and a bit of hacking will do the job far better. Amongst those learned and esteemed political idjits there was a feeling that we should have sent every tank we have across to Ukraine as we didn’t really need them.

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By: Mike Jonas https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836308 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:40:14 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836308 You would create more jobs more cheaply and do a lot less damage to the UK economy if you simply broke every window in Britain.

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By: Ian_e https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836307 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:39:15 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836307 In reply to Joseph Zorzin.

Indeed – and, since most of the export destinations are much less efficient (and clean) than we were, I would guess that in reality it is at least a +33% change. Good news for the world as a whole of course (on the CO2 side at least) but not so good for our economy (or for the added real pollution of course).

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By: Ian_e https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836301 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:33:38 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836301 In reply to Paul Stevens.

Yes – but I fear that few, if any, of us will live to see that better future. My personal hope is just to keep my head above the bread-line for my remaining days.

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By: Rich Davis https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836300 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:33:23 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836300 In reply to 2hotel9.

I regret to inform you, but as the system collapses it will be us “climate deniers” who will be jailed. Revealing state secrets, suspicion of sabotage, spreading dangerous propaganda that misleads voters and leads to the ‘regrettable’ need to suspend democracy.

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By: Rich Davis https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836286 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:20:50 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836286 In reply to Bryan A.

Auto-corrupt does that to me all the time

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By: Matthew Bergin https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836281 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:17:32 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836281 ]]> In reply to Bryan A.

Doesn’t matter it’s still funny 😂

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By: ResourceGuy https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836271 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:04:23 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836271 I guess this is one reason the UK considered sending museum display pieces to Ukraine for defense assistance.

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By: quelgeek https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/24/britains-net-zero-disaster-and-the-wind-power-scam/#comment-3836269 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:03:47 +0000 https://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=10273158#comment-3836269 In reply to MCourtney.

I was tempted to suggest A in my earlier post, but using far more offensive language. So I think it’s mostly A plus a lifetime of being told how clever he is.

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