Virginia – Don’t Follow Net-Zero Lemmings Over the Energy Cliff

States that link climate and energy policies to California and ‘climate crisis’ will pay high price

Paul Driessen

Seventeen states – including Virginia – tie their vehicle emission standards and electric vehicle sale mandates to California, the most climate-centric state in the Union. Unless current laws change, by 2035 all their new cars, pickups and SUVs must be electric (or hydrogen-powered).

In further obeisance to California, most of these states also require that their utility companies generate 100% of their electricity from “renewable sources” by 2045 or 2050. They and the federal government also mandate that electric models replace gas-fueled furnaces, water heaters, driers, stoves and ovens within a decade or less. 

This means electricity demand will double in the near future – at the same time that reliable, affordable fossil-fuel (and nuclear and hydroelectric) electricity generation plummets. Charging massive batteries to ensure power on windless, sunless days would double demand yet again.

Home, hospital, school and business lighting, heating, cooling, cooking and computing costs will likely double or triple, hitting poor and minority families hardest. Blackouts could become commonplace.

No wonder citizens in European countries are revolting against net zero laws, forcing politicians to delay or terminate their green dictates.

And yet Democrats in Virginia and elsewhere have refused to budge. They’re so convinced that climate cataclysms are imminent – and government mandates will magically usher in a renewable energy era – that they are willing to compel families and businesses to follow them and other virtue-signaling lemmings off the net-zero cliff.

That’s why – even with attention now focused on Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan and other global hot spots – voters also need to think long and hard about looming US energy cataclysms.

Democrats, some Republicans, and their media and environmentalist allies are determined to sweep vitally important energy realities under the rug. Voters mustn’t let that happen.

Not one village on Earth – much less a city or state – has shown that wind and solar power backed up by grid-scale batteries can enable them to function normally … or merely survive …  for even a week, winter or summer. And yet President Biden and the Climate Industrial Complex want to impose an all-electricity “green energy transformation” on the entire United States.

This total transformation would require literally millions of wind turbines, billions of solar panels, and tens of thousands of miles of new transmission lines. Billions of Tesla-EV-equivalent battery modules would be needed to stabilize increasingly large and complex electricity grids … and back up sporadic, weather-dependent electricity … to prevent repeated and widespread blackouts.

Building this equipment would involve billions of tons of steel, aluminum, copper, cobalt, lithium, concrete, plastics and other materials; hundreds of billions of tons of ore and overburden from thousands of mines; fossil fuels for mining, processing and manufacturing; and unprecedented greenhouse gas emissions, toxic air, water and ground pollution, and wildlife habitat destruction.

Installing all that equipment would impact thousands of square miles of habitats, scenic areas and croplands – decimating wildlife all across rural America – to serve major urban areas that have the votes to impose their views, but not the room or desire to have those impacts in their own backyards. Disposing of worn out and broken solar panels and wind turbine blades would require hundreds of huge landfills, also in rural America’s backyards.

The costs would be astronomical. Net Zero Reality Coalition experts have calculated that grid-balancing and backup batteries alone would cost up to $290-trillion, depending on which capital cost, hourly or daily or weekly electricity generation data, and other factors are employed.

The wind industry loves to say such-and-such wind or solar project has the “capacity” to power 100,000 homes. That may be true – when the wind is blowing or sun is shining at optimal levels. However, that rarely happens. On an annual basis, those unreliable systems would likely generate electricity 20-40% of the year, in short intervals, at totally unpredictable times.

Since the Biden Administration and environmentalists steadfastly oppose mining in the USA, most resource extraction will be done overseas. The raw materials will mostly come from or through China, which often employs slave and child labor, zero to minimal environmental standards, subpar wage and workplace safety standards, and minerals as a political weapon.

That means wind, solar and battery power is actually the antithesis of clean, green, renewable, sustainable and ethical. All the dirty, evil, unsustainable activities just get done in faraway places, where they can be ignored; so they needn’t be mentioned in slick product and campaign ads.

An all-electric economy also requires that home, neighborhood, local, state and national transmission systems be significantly upgraded to handle the massive additional electric loads. That’s more trillions of dollars, further increasing the cost of electricity and every product and service.

Personal needs and choices will disappear. You will be told what cars you can buy and how far you can drive them; how big your home can be, and how warm or cool you can keep it; how often and how far you can travel on vacation; even what foods you can eat.

Where’s the beef? Not on the menu. And just imagine being in your EV, in a massive traffic jam, during a blizzard or a hurricane evacuation. But as California goes, so will you if your legislators demand it.

Delving into specifics: President Biden wants 30,000 megawatts of offshore wind electricity by 2030. That would require 2,500 gigantic 12-MW wind turbines. But even if the wind is blowing optimally, their output would barely meet New York State’s peak summertime electricity needs – today, prior to its transformation to a fossil-fuel-free, all-electric economy.

Equally crazy, New York’s plan for 24,000 megawatt-hours of battery storage would provide backup for barely 45 minutes on a sweltering windless day – with today’s power demands. And even that minuscule storage would require 300,000 Tesla 80-kilowatt-hour battery modules.

The 2020 Virginia Clean Economy Act requires that utilities have 3,100 megawatt-hours of electricity storage. If that’s provided with 19-MWh Tesla Megapack battery modules, costing $10-million apiece, Virginia taxpayers and ratepayers would have to lay out $1.6 billion. For that they’d get one-half-hour of statewide windless/sunless day backup!

Ask your elected officials how many offshore turbines would be needed to power your state – or the entire USA. How many onshore turbines with a nameplate capacity of perhaps 6 MW. How many solar panels sprawling across vast scenic areas, croplands and wildlife habitats – in sunny Arizona or frosty Wisconsin. How many battery modules for a full week of backup storage.

Demand to know how much all this will cost – and how much mining, processing, manufacturing, toxic pollution, CO2 emissions, slave and child labor, and habitat destruction would go into making all that equipment. Watch the politicians bob and weave, run for cover, or have the police remove you for asking such impertinent questions.

Mandates for electric vehicles, wind and solar power, and a magical transition to a fossil-fuel-free energy utopia are critical issues this year and in 2024. Think carefully about them before you head to the polls.

Your vote – and whether you help your friends vote wisely – will determine whether we end this insanity … or must live beneath the iron fists of increasingly oppressive climate authoritarians.

Paul Driessen is senior policy analyst for the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (www.CFACT.org) and author of books and articles on energy, environment, climate and human rights issues.

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Tom Halla
October 28, 2023 6:04 am

Granting California a carve out on pollution laws was a major error.

Scissor
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 28, 2023 6:27 am
Bryan A
Reply to  Scissor
October 28, 2023 7:19 am

Perhaps, if they want Hydrogen to replace Natural Gas they should consider Nuclear as a viable option. Some reactor styles produce Hydrogen as a byproduct. Didn’t Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant explode from hydrogen accumulation?

scvblwxq
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 6:57 pm

When hydrogen burns it creates water vapor which is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Scissor
October 28, 2023 7:43 am

The climate wackos here in western Wokeachusetts, the most climate whacko part of the state, where they’ve been screaming for green energy- now they’re whining about industrial scale battery systems. They’re also whining about deforestation because there’s no other place to put industrial scale solar. Now they say we can arrive at net zero nirvana just by putting solar on all roofs- which of course is impossible. Oh, and over parking lots- forgetting that putting solar on parking lots is far more expensive. I saw one of these recently at a community college. To hold up the panels they had to install huge steel beams that look like they belong on a skyscraper or large bridge. Now, I can imagine careless drivers running into those steel beams.

Mr Ed
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 9:45 am

Here in MT our one time reliable utility the former Montana Power now Northwest
Energy has gone completely woke. Their regulator the PSC has announced a 28% rate hike for residential users. Winter came early this week, single digit temps with
heavy snow kinda like a polar vortex type storm.
There are two local 3mw solar panel farms in the area completely covered
with snow…plus no wind for their hundreds of wind turbines. We have an estimated
600 yr supply of coal but we all know how this sits…

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Mr Ed
October 28, 2023 10:06 am

If the GOP informs the voters that they have a choice between devastating the landscape with green energy and drastically increasing electricity and transportation costs vs. not those results- it will surely win big next year. I fear it won’t. And it must be done with some intensity as I think many people just don’t listen to political debates any more since they’re usually just hot air. Tell them something that effects all of us and with some vigor and they’ll listen.

Tony_G
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 10:36 am

You’re suggesting a possible winning strategy, Joseph, so the GOP won’t even consider it.

Richard Page
Reply to  Tony_G
October 28, 2023 11:20 am

What? You mean that both sides were trying to lose the election so the Dems would have to stay and fix things? That explains a great deal…

Yirgach
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 29, 2023 7:34 pm

Does anyone out there believe anything from anyone anymore?

Richard Page
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 11:17 am

Have you suggested to them that they could install extra strong panels on the road and parking lot surfaces? Or that they could all wear flat-topped hats with small panels on when they’re out and about? I’m sure we could think of other suggestions if we tried!

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Scissor
October 28, 2023 7:49 am

at that link

San Diego-based renewable energy company Terra-Gen owns and operates the 139-megawatt, 560 megawatt-hour Valley Center Storage Facility that produces enough electricity to power up to 140,000 homes for four hours on a single charge.

That makes it seem as if the facility PRODUCES power- but does Amazon produce any products? Wow, for 4 hours! I suppose it’ll be easy to survive in CA, especially San Diego with awesome weather all year, for 4 hours but if you live in a frigid part on North America, after 4 hours you’ll be in trouble- especially if your EV isn’t charged and, OMG, your phone!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 11:02 am

Just East of SD is desert where most of the urban expansion is occurring. Try living without A/C.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Scissor
October 28, 2023 8:43 am

Plus the recent UK Royal Society Report (Sept 2023) ‘Large-scale electricity storage policy briefing’

“found variations in wind supply on a multi decadal timescale as well as sporadic periods of days and weeks of very low generation potential. For this reason, some tens of TWhs of very long duration storage will be needed. For comparison the TWhs needed are 1000 times more than is currently provided by pumped hydro, and far more than can be provided cost effectively by batteries”

They concluded batteries would only provide short term grid balancing services.

“Conventional batteries are not expected to provide large-scale storage, although they are likely to play a role in stabilising the grid”

https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/low-carbon-energy-programme/large-scale-electricity-storage/

bnice2000
Reply to  Dave Andrews
October 28, 2023 12:54 pm

Just like the BIG battery in tiny (energy) South Australia..

Making huge amounts of cash for stabilising the grid.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Tom Halla
October 28, 2023 9:13 am

the most climate-centric state in the Union”

No, the most fascist state in the union. Nothing they do is good for “the climate”.

strativarius
October 28, 2023 6:16 am

“No wonder citizens in European countries are revolting against net zero law””

Are they really?

I haven’t seen anybody on the streets – apart from JSO. And the U.K. to my knowledge is the only state with a climate change net zero law on the statute book

From where I’m standing the revolts are yet to come.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  strativarius
October 28, 2023 7:37 am

Yellow vests in France?

strativarius
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
October 28, 2023 7:58 am

That wasn’t about net zero as such, no.

One illustration of this cultural divide is that most modern, progressive social movements and protests are quickly endorsed by celebrities, actors, the media and the intellectuals. But none of them approve of the gilets jaunes. Their emergence has caused a kind of psychological shock to the cultural establishment. It is exactly the same shock that the British elites experienced with the Brexit vote and that they are still experiencing now, three years later.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/01/11/the-gilets-jaunes-are-unstoppable/

It’s a much wider war

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  strativarius
October 28, 2023 8:29 am

The only gilets jaunes I see in Wokeachusetts are on construction workers. They used to wear bright orange or red safety vests which are more visible than yellow- but for some crazy reason the safety vests are now mostly yellow. Not great if working on a forested road in summer- you can hardly see them from any distance.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 9:22 am

 ANSI Safety Colors
ANSI describes their color codes for identifying potential hazards and safety equipment in the ANSI Z535.1-2001 standard. This standard outlines ten safety colors that are used for visual communication.

The color red, typically used in safety signs or labels, is used to signify danger.
The color orange is used to signal people of hazardous machines or other equipment.
The color yellow is used to alert people to any type of safety caution.
The color green is used to inform people of emergency exits, as well as about the location of the first-aid kit and safety equipment.
The color blue is used on informative labels.
The colors black, white, purple, grey, and combinations of them are not strictly defined and the users can communicate various information through them. For example, the color purple is typically used for radiation hazards.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  John Hultquist
October 28, 2023 9:37 am

Well, OK- I guess our authoritarian system has rules and regs for everything. Didn’t know about this. But, if I was working on a road crew, I’d want to be seen. The yellow safety vests on road crews aren’t nearly as visible as the neon orange/red I used to see. I’d think that a road crew is in danger- so I’d conclude they should wear red. I once asked a cop working at a road construction site- directing traffic about the colors. His response, “I dunno”.

karlomonte
October 28, 2023 6:32 am

The massive CO2-driven temperature spike will be hitting here hard over the weekend — 8-16 inches solid sunshine forecast, followed by boiling morning low temps of 7 and 16F (-14 and -9°C). Sign me up for a heat pump!

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Scissor
Reply to  karlomonte
October 28, 2023 6:57 am

I’m kind of looking forward to the snow. I hope to finish raking up the bulk of leaves from my lawn before it hits but the temperature is cold and falling.

Also, A Basin is supposed to open tomorrow. They need snow. I won’t be there but I’ll check out their webcams for a little vicarious enjoyment.

https://www.arapahoebasin.com/the-mountain/webcams/

karlomonte
Reply to  Scissor
October 28, 2023 7:04 am

I did the best I could yesterday with the leaves until both batteries for the leaf blower gave out. Have to drive to the airport early Monday AM, not looking forward to this.

Scissor
Reply to  karlomonte
October 28, 2023 7:20 am

At least it should be clear, but cold, on Monday. I hope you are headed to a warm place.

karlomonte
Reply to  Scissor
October 28, 2023 7:53 am

Daughter is heading back to Phoenix, so no…

Scissor
Reply to  karlomonte
October 28, 2023 8:06 am

If you left now, you could drop her off in Phoenix before the time of her scheduled arrival.

karlomonte
Reply to  Scissor
October 28, 2023 10:24 am

Good idea!

Bryan A
Reply to  karlomonte
October 28, 2023 7:34 am

Perhaps a dog named Stella could assist you

strativarius
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 7:49 am

Mulch…..

karlomonte
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 7:55 am

Now that is one crazy dog! Easy to see where she learned the trick.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 7:59 am

Thanks for that!

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 8:36 am

I’m gonna pass that to everyone I know! Thanks.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 11:12 am

I’m sure the neighbors and municipal crews just love Stella!

Richard Page
Reply to  Bryan A
October 28, 2023 11:28 am

That dog has a skill and she’s determined to make the most of it.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  karlomonte
October 28, 2023 7:56 am

It was 80F here in Wokeachusetts yesterday, sunny and dry, and suppossed to be almost that today. It’s a catastrophe- lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

karlomonte
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 10:25 am

And the ocean on your doorstep!

Energywise
October 28, 2023 6:55 am

These nut zero peddling states & nations are doing a good job of advertising how bad it is, to the rest of us
Whether California or Germany – there’s no better evidence for push back than seeing these places living standards being wrenched backwards as the nut zero regression takes hold
Its like watching an experiment in real time – I know it definitely convinces me it is wrong on every level

Dave Fair
Reply to  Energywise
October 28, 2023 11:14 am

Germany and both U.S. Left Coasts; perfect crash test dummies.

Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 7:18 am

“California, the most climate-centric state in the Union”

I dunno- I think it might be Wokeachusetts (I’ve changed its state code to WK). Or they are equally mad.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 11:23 am

Most woke. They save their forests and spotted owls by allowing underbrush to build until it all burns, fouling the air not just for Californians but for neighboring states as well. Year after year after year.

And guess what: when the forests burn, so do the spotted owls and their nests.

It takes a lot of stupid to do that.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Ex-KaliforniaKook
October 28, 2023 1:37 pm

Here, the greens want to lock up all the forests to have no function other than sequestering carbon, to “save the planet”. They won’t burn, but there are a lot of diseases and pests in these forests and they need to be managed. Meanwhile, we import wood from thousands of miles away. Since CA has 5 times the population, I’ll say CA wins “most woke”.

Thomas Finegan
October 28, 2023 7:23 am

According to gasbuddy.com lowest price gas in Virginia is $2.75 in California $4.19

Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 7:32 am

“Democrats, some Republicans, and their media and environmentalist allies are determined to sweep vitally important energy realities under the rug.”

Here in Wokeachusetts (WK)- it’s 100% of all politicians. There is ZERO resistance. Zilch. None. They no longer have to sweep the topic under the rug. The topic no longer exists here. It’s gone. Never discussed. The Utopia will arrive. It’s been ordained. The scripture has been written- all 363 pages.

https://www.mass.gov/info-details/2023-resilientmass-plan

From the executive summary- I extracted the following lunacy and underlined some in yellow. Nobody and I mean NOBODY in this state challenges it. I probably will but I’ve been challenging the state for 50 years and I’m always ignored. I was canceled 50 years ago.

graphic attached

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Richard Page
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 28, 2023 11:37 am

Bloody hell! And they’re actually putting the evidence of their insanity in writing? Run Joseph – make for the border, save yourself – it’s too late fot them, they’re all pod people now!

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
October 28, 2023 11:37 am

Fot? For, obviously.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Richard Page
October 28, 2023 1:46 pm

Those items I marked in yellow on the graphic- are horrors several hundred percent exaggerated beyond even the IPCC! I keep telling people here just how extreme that is- I get no response from the pod people!

Ronald Stein
October 28, 2023 7:51 am

Time to expose the nameplate farce of those renewables that get funding based on their nameplate capacity but fail to generate that nameplate rated electricity most of the time!

Most things that NEED electricity require continuous uninterruptible power generation.

Gregory Woods
October 28, 2023 7:56 am

Way back when, say 1960 or so, there was a ‘future house’ display in Tomorrowland, Disneyland, Anaheim. All electric. Maybe it was sponsored by GE, i don’t remember. Well, I guess Tomorrowland is now TodayLand.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Gregory Woods
October 28, 2023 8:42 am

Around ’80 or so, GE, which once had a huge factory in Pittsfield, MA (employing up to 12K people), built an all plastic house as a demo. I checked it out. Not impressed. It didn’t catch on.

Lee Riffee
Reply to  Gregory Woods
October 28, 2023 10:17 am

GE was heavy into the “all electric home” concept back in those days. I have a small collection of various home maker magazines (Better Homes and Gardens and others) and there are more than a few GE ads touting “flame free” heating and cooking. Of course, back then, electricity was much less expensive than it is now!

Richard Page
Reply to  Gregory Woods
October 28, 2023 11:39 am

No, I think it’s still probably tomorrowland and will be for a while yet.

starzmom
Reply to  Gregory Woods
October 30, 2023 7:47 am

I remember GEs Tomorrowland. As I recall hearing, it was a display at the 1964 World’s Fair in New York and was taken to Disneyland after the fair closed. It seems so quaint now. I liked the young lady mannequin who got her exercise from a machine that wiggled her rear end for her.

Right-Handed Shark
October 28, 2023 8:28 am

Story tip:

Ford to shut down EV production!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNIaUEzxNZo

Reality bites..

Scissor
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
October 28, 2023 11:05 am

They finally figured out that they can’t sustain a $40K loss per vehicle and make it up on volume.

starzmom
Reply to  Scissor
October 30, 2023 7:47 am

It is the new math they have been teaching in school for a while now.

DMacKenzie
October 28, 2023 8:58 am

Money is a measure of human effort….and when the effort exceeds what people can expend, governments have no choice but to rethink their collection and spending of tax dollars.
Most of these states requirements will be dropped over say 3 electoral cycles to be replaced by something that takes much less human effort…er…dollars…

general custer
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 28, 2023 9:43 am

That’s Marx’s labor theory of value. Human effort has no value if no one is willing to pay for the result. Maybe you should look into the works of Carl Menger, who introduced the theory of marginal utility.

general custer
October 28, 2023 9:05 am

The problems have been solved.

Scissor
Reply to  general custer
October 28, 2023 11:10 am

Fe nitride magnets are a great idea but the company has yet to deliver on the promise.

Beta Blocker
October 28, 2023 10:14 am

The Net Zero Reality Coalition says that as far as it knows, no director of a government agency or a member of Congress is aware of, or has a clue about, what is required to reach Net Zero for the United States. 

Since no US Government agency and no government-funded university in the United States will ever willingly address the lack of information concerning what it will take to achieve Net Zero on the Biden Administration’s schedule, the Coalition must produce a detailed rough-cut first analysis using its own resources, working under a reasonably simplified set of starting assumptions.

For the United States including Alaska and Hawaii; for each of the years 2030, 2035, 2040, 2045, and 2050 — a first cut approximate number of:

— Terawatt hours of electricity consumed annually
— Wind turbines and their nameplate capacities
— Solar panels and their nameplate capacities
— Backup and grid-balancing battery modules and their nameplate capacities
— Linear miles of new transmission lines
— Types, and configurations of new power distribution equipment
— Running total numbers/quantities for each category for the years 2030, 2035, 2040, 2045 and 2050.
— Final total numbers/quantities for each category by the year 2050.

For the United States including Alaska and Hawaii; for each of the years 2030, 2035, 2040, 2045, and 2050 — a first cut approximate number of square miles of:

— Area impacted by new onshore wind farms
— Area impacted by new offshore wind farms
— Area impacted by new solar farms
— Area impacted by new transmission capacity
— Area impacted by new energy storage capacity
— Area impacted by new power distribution equipment
— Running total areas for each category for the years 2030, 2035, 2040, 2045 and 2050.
— Final total areas for each category by the year 2050.

For the United States including Alaska and Hawaii; for each of the years 2030, 2035, 2040, 2045, and 2050 — a first cut approximate number of tons of steel, copper, aluminum, cobalt, nickel, rare earth elements, graphite, concrete and other materials that would be needed, and their most likely sources of supply. Plus the running total tons for each category for the years 2030, 2035, 2040, 2045 and 2050; and the final total for each category by the year 2050.

All work must be shown and fully documented. And, quite naturally, the coalition must be prepared for a barrage of intense criticism based on a thoroughly biased narrative which calls into question every aspect of the analysis.

Richard Page
Reply to  Beta Blocker
October 28, 2023 11:41 am

Honestly is does read like they’re making it up as they go along.

Bryan A
Reply to  Beta Blocker
October 28, 2023 12:43 pm

Easy enough, every 5 years the number required diminishes (with diminishing population) by 10% such that by 2050, global population will be halved thereby halving the required amount of energy and making required ruinable generation slightly more possible but still as implausible

honestyrus
Reply to  Beta Blocker
October 28, 2023 1:47 pm

My expert friends tell me it’s not necessary because the technology is improving so rapidly. Everything is hunky dory. Feel better now? 🙂

scvblwxq
Reply to  Beta Blocker
October 28, 2023 7:33 pm

The countries where 90 percent of the worldwide population lives, like China, India, and other less developed countries want and need growth and will accept a degree or two of warming if that occurs. The US and Europe cutting their CO2 emissions by 2050 won’t even make a dent and it will cost their households about $US1 million each spread over 27 years.

ToldYouSo
October 28, 2023 10:23 am

Here’s the great unmentioned irony of the meme that Net Zero is a means to reduce/eliminate “global warming” via massive reductions in CO2 emissions from burning fossil fuels:
the Second Law of thermodynamics means that inefficiencies in mechanical and electrical processes within the system boundary defined as “Earth” will ultimately end up as (waste) heat energy.

Hint: the root cause of global warming is more heat accumulating in the Earth system than it is currently able to “lose” via radiation to space or to “lock-up” via net mass phase change of ice to liquid water or liquid water to water vapor.

Just a partial listing of how striving for Net Zero will thus be adding waste heat to the Earth system:
— inefficiences in PV conversion of sunlight to electricity
— inefficiences in solar thermal conversion of sunlight to heat
— inefficiences in conversion of heat energy to electricity
— inefficiencies in battery storage (chemical reaction inefficiencies, internal ohmic heating losses, AC-to-DC and DC-to-AC conversion losses, thermal/cooling losses, self-discharge losses, etc.)
— inefficiencies in wind turbines (aerodynamic inefficiencies resulting in turbulence/noise and associated unrecoverable heating of air, gearbox mechanical inefficiencies such a friction between moving parts, conversion inefficiency of mechanical energy to electrical energy)
—inefficiency of up-conversion and down-conversion of voltages between source points and end-use points
— inefficiencies in transmission of electrical energy from point-of-generation to point of end-use (e.g., from solar PV farm to home electrical outlet) . . .indeed, inefficiencies of moving electrical energy throughout all levels of “a grid” . . . mainly resistive losses but also reactive losses, especially in transformers, and corona discharge losses from HV transmission lines
— inefficiencies of converting electrical power back to mechanical power or to thermal power or photon power (“lighting”).

Sure, use of fossil fuels to achieve end-point, user power for a variety of purposes also involves inefficiencies; it is just that Net Zero does not necessarily mean net-zero inefficiencies nor net-zero induced global warming.

And, oh, by the way, there is no scientific consensus, let alone preponderance of scientific evidence, that CO2 released from burning fossil fuels is a significant cause of global warming. That too.

Richard Page
Reply to  ToldYouSo
October 28, 2023 11:44 am

Well yes, have you ever thought what UHI is made up of? It’s not all aircon vents and car exhausts.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Richard Page
October 28, 2023 12:02 pm

Sure . . . some causes of UHI impact are “inadvertent” such as change in albedo in urban areas (i.e., going from higher albedo to lower albedo in visible light absorption, but going from lower emissivity to higher emissivity in LWIR spectrum) whereas other causes are forced (e.g., increasing both overall heat energy exchange per unit area and overall thermal heat capacity of concrete, asphalt and buildings compared to that of soil and vegetation per unit area).

It’s complicated.

Bryan A
Reply to  Richard Page
October 28, 2023 3:51 pm

Nope … a lot of UHI is in the inability to properly locate weather/climate measuring sites due to population density and encroachment on once properly placed sites causing a spurious warming signal in the data. Air conditioning vents play a part an only a few poorly sited stations. But they do tend to play a part at those stations where record temperatures are reported by media

starzmom
Reply to  Bryan A
October 30, 2023 7:52 am

I particularly like the record temps incurred when a measuring site is next to the runway and catches the exhaust of an A-380 taking off.

scvblwxq
Reply to  ToldYouSo
October 28, 2023 7:24 pm

Here is one new 2023 study that says that depending on the surface temperature and solar irradiance datasets that one uses, one can show anything from mostly human-caused warming to mostly natural warming.

They are probably historical datasets so not much can be done about them.

‘Challenges in the Detection and Attribution of Northern Hemisphere Surface Temperature Trends Since 1850’
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1674-4527/acf18e

ToldYouSo
Reply to  scvblwxq
October 29, 2023 7:24 am

You mean “global warming” is in the eye of the beholder? . . . who knew?

/sarc

Lee Riffee
October 28, 2023 11:06 am

I’d sure love to know who died and left California as the arbiter of environmental and climate policy in the US….There are 50 states in this country, and all are (more or less) free to impose various regulations (as long as those regulations don’t conflict with federal law). State restrictions can be more severe than federal ones, of course. But states generally don’t get to lord over other states with regards to laws and regulations! And why on earth do these other states feel the need to “comply” with California?
It’s too bad that back when CA started this nonsense, the automakers didn’t just cut them off. “Since our vehicles aren’t compliant with California rules, we will not offer them for sale there!”
But no, now we will have a duality of blocks of states, some of which ban ICE and others that do not.
And it won’t be too difficult for the average consumer to get around those bans.

ToldYouSo
Reply to  Lee Riffee
October 28, 2023 12:13 pm

“I’d sure love to know who died and left California as the arbiter of environmental and climate policy in the US”

There was a climate-knowledge vacuum and California was the obvious candidate to fill it . . . not that doing so in any way increased knowledge about climate.

Why California? . . . one need not look beyond UC Berkeley or the politicians in San Francisco and Sacramento.

Bob
October 28, 2023 1:53 pm

Building this equipment would involve billions of tons of steel, aluminum, copper, cobalt, lithium, concrete, plastics and other materials; hundreds of billions of tons of ore and overburden from thousands of mines; fossil fuels for mining, processing and manufacturing; and unprecedented greenhouse gas emissions, toxic air, water and ground pollution, and wildlife habitat destruction.

Nope I say not one pint of fossil fuel used to mine, process or manufacture any of this stuff. Let’s demand that it happen now, we won’t be any better prepared to pull this off in 2035 than we are right now. The whole thing is stupid. Forget about convincing politicians or academics or any of the other so called leaders. Convince the average guy how bad he is being bamboozled and all of this nonsense will go away. He will not stand for it, the sooner the better.

general custer
Reply to  Bob
October 29, 2023 7:21 am

The average guy is more interested in the World Series, the Jets-Giants game or if he can arrange the purchase of a new 4×4 crew cab pick-up. That’s how all this BS came to be, a lack of real interest and knowledge among the proles. It’s a digital “end of the world” sandwich board that gets attention from only a small part of the society, in spite of the efforts of academia, government, media and business in ceaselessly promoting it.

starzmom
Reply to  general custer
October 30, 2023 7:56 am

He might be interested if he is told he can’t buy a new 4×4 crewcab because it is insufficiently green.

SteveG
October 28, 2023 4:27 pm

vehicle sale mandates

The psychology of totalitarianism.

John Oliver
October 28, 2023 6:02 pm

I pretty much gave up trying to “inform or suggest” to my friends family neighbors on the left that there might be another well supported view point on these issue( and other issues many others!). It is as if we live in two opposing alternate realities. One where logic and evidence rules; the other where emotions dominate all thought and policy.

scvblwxq
Reply to  John Oliver
October 28, 2023 7:31 pm

The Republicans aren’t pointing out all the mistakes the “climate change” groups are making in their arguments. The countries with 90 percent of the world’s population want growth and are willing to accept a degree or two of warming by 2050 if that occurs. The developed countries’ efforts will cost their household about $US1 million each spread over 27 years but will hardly make a dent.

starzmom
Reply to  scvblwxq
October 30, 2023 7:55 am

The Republicans writ large agree with the climate change agenda. You can find very few prominent people who are willing to speak loudly against climate change and some sort of green agenda. Those of us who dare to question are voices in the wilderness.

scvblwxq
October 28, 2023 7:05 pm

We wear clothes in the winter to keep warm. Air-conditioned clothes for the summer could surely be developed for less than $1 trillion vs $290 trillion to keep it from warming.

We don’t try to heat up the winter.

The countries with 90 percent of the world’s population want growth and aren’t going to spend anything on green things. They will gladly burn all of the coal, oil, and natural gas they can find to increase the welfare of their people.

James Miller
October 31, 2023 1:39 am

The article cites a goal of 3,100 megawatt-hours of electricity storage. Yet, in Table 2: Important Reference Case Assumptions of Virginia Senate Document No. 17 (2021), the number given is “3,100 MW Storage by 2035.” Of course, this latter value makes no sense since megawatts is a unit of power and energy is stored, not power. I can only assume that this error was corrected in a later release by the policymakers, but I cannot locate such a correction. Surely, the esteemed legislators of the state understand the difference between power and energy? Then again, if they were ‘educated’ in public schools… 

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